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re: Why is it great pitching always beats great hitting?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:56 am to MrWiseGuy
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:56 am to MrWiseGuy
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You’re thinking of this in terms of average when you should be thinking of this in terms of runs scored Again, the quote from me above from a fabgraphs points out that it’s not as lopsided as the cliche states.
How about Whip and ERA? Would that speak to how great pitchers beat great hitting teams? I mean Aaron Nola did it week after week.
Lloyd Peever did it time after time and never lost. Go look at sun 2 ERAs dude. Geez
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Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:57 am to champj3
Because bad pitching beats good hitting 7 out of 10 times. Hitting is hard. Great pitching makes it much harder.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:12 am to FAP SAM
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Always is not meant literally, of course sometimes the hitters win. Also you have to factor in that even great pitchers have off days where they don't have their best stuff
On a lark while in college at LSU, a friend (lifelong Mets fan) and I drove to Houston to watch a mid-week pitching duel between two of the best pitchers at the time, Doc Gooden of the Mets and Mike Scott of the Astros. Those two combined to win 40+ games that season. One gave up 7 runs in 6 innings and the other gave up 5 runs in 6 innings, so much for a pitching duel and the game went to extra innings as a bonus. Not what I had expected at all, definitely a case of great pitchers not having their best stuff that night.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 9:16 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 9:15 am to MrWiseGuy
See the last at bat for the WBC for an example.
I'd bet Ohtani vs Trout would end the way it did more times than not. There is a reason that 3-10 times being successful at the plate makes you a good hitter.
I'd bet Ohtani vs Trout would end the way it did more times than not. There is a reason that 3-10 times being successful at the plate makes you a good hitter.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 10:11 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:If we assume the best baseball hitters in the world and the best baseball pitchers in the world play in the U.S. Major Leagues, the statistical data shows that last season the combined batting average of all hitters in the Major Leagues was .243.
It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make
So the pitchers kept batters from getting a hit more than 75% of the time.
If you believe that on-base % is a more important stat than batting average, the combined Major League OBP for all batters last season was .312, which was the lowest OBP for the Major Leagues since they've kept that statistic. So, overall, pitchers kept batters from getting on base almost 70% of the time.
That's pretty close to being considered pitching domination...
Posted on 3/25/23 at 11:52 am to champj3
Because hitting something going 100mph with movement with a metal pole is very hard.
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:02 pm to MrWiseGuy
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It’s just an old cliche stuck in baseball that people go to when they don’t have any statistical data to back up a point they’re trying to make
How the hell you come up with this? A batting average is considered good when you go 3/10.
Nvm I see a bunch of folks correcting you.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 12:09 pm
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