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re: Why do people forget how mediocre Joe Burrow&Jayden Daniels were in YR 1 starting at LSU?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:18 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:18 pm to JimTiger72
quote:Daniels literally had the best first season of all 3. He had a couple bad games like Arkansas, TAMU, and Auburn, but on one leg he had 200 yards and a TD at the half vs UGA. He was literally the only good thing we had vs Florida St game one. The way people talk about this OL like it was anywhere near as bad as what Jayden had the first 6 weeks was crazy.
Nobody liked comparing Daniels to Burrow & nobody likes including Nuss.
His year 1 was better than both of theirs
He had 3800 yards and 29 TDs in essentially 12 games (11.5 regular season .5 SECCG, .33 bowl game). Unlike Burrow and Nuss, Daniels didn't get a chance to take like 99% of the snaps. Remember that 6 TDs in that cupcake game Nuss had? Daniels had 4 in a little over a quarter in a cupcake game, and they let him sit. He had close to 200 yards and 2 TDs in a quarter and a half in the bowl game too.
Nuss will likely produce a heisman level season next year if he can get his turnover problem under control, but that's a big if.
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:35 pm to BeastTigers10
quote:How many fumbles did Daniels have? You obviously didn’t add those to his turnovers. It seems you added Nussmeiers though.
Jayden Daniels combined for 28 touchdowns with only 3 turnovers Year 1. Nuss combined for 29 touchdowns and had 13 turnovers. Thats a big difference.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:40 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Daniels ran the ball a lot more. Add his rushes to his passing attempts and I’m sure it will be more than Nuss passing attempts. Nuss will have more total yards.
He wasn’t better, he just threw the ball a whole lot more
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:45 pm to Tiger1988
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No you didn’t. You saw clips of a few practices.
Film? There was no “game film” on Bhrrow.
Film. People in here think TiK Tok is “film” like coaches watch.
Have a downvote dumbass.
Hey numb nuts, when I say I watched him, I WATCHED HIM.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/400869647
2016 Stats (Which I also watched)
2017 Game stats
As a former college and pro player, I've watched him in actual games at Ohio State dumb dick. I thought he was unusually accurate, a trend that has continued throughout his career.
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That said Nuss is going be better. He not in the same stratosphere as those guys.
which is it?
Your ignorance is palpable. Two things can be true: Nuss can be better, and still not on Burrow's level.
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People are fricking revisionists on here instead of waiting to see what Nuss does in year 2.
No revisionist here. As a former player, I know what I'm looking at. Nuss is a solid QB. But I've seen nothing from him that tell me he will be a world beater. He's a solid player. Calm down.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:50 pm to DamnStrong1860
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Cause they weren’t mediocre. Joe’s 2018 year was overall the second best year an LSU QB had ever had at that point.
Jayden’s 2022 was again probably only second to Joe 2019.
100% both made huge very visible leaps in year 2. But they were’t mediocre before
Facts. You can't reason with the dummies here bro. lol
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:21 pm to cbree88
quote:Nobody actually watching said that. Particularly not after the Auburn and Georgia games. The Auburn game in particular was beautiful. I still have it on my DVR and watch the final 5 minutes probably 20 times per year.
Joe in 2018 was nothing special.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:40 pm to cbree88
Neither one of them turned the ball over. Y’all need to stop with this first year comparison stuff. Nuss is a good qb but it doesn’t matter if you throw the ball to the other team in the biggest games. Stats aren’t everything.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:59 pm to cbree88
I do not believe Burrow or Daniels were mediocre in year one.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:06 pm to SammyTiger
They were not mediocre. They were not great. JD just needed to throw the ball and not be scared of turnovers. Joe played pretty well. They opened up the offense to make use of Joe's QB brain and accurate throws. Seems to me the coaches were more mediocre for the less than great play the first years out.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:18 pm to cbree88
Both burrow and Daniels had pretty good years before their breakouts. They were not mediocre
Posted on 12/20/24 at 8:55 am to Tiger1988
quote:I don't know if you're just being cankerous with the use of the word "film" but Joe Burrow played in 10 games for Ohio State. There is "video" of him!
WHAT frickING “FILM”?
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:04 am to BayouBandit24
quote:Wasn't really that unreasonable of a take. He looked like shite. The turnaround since then nobody could have seen coming
I will admit that I wanted us to move on from Jayden after the FSU loss year 2. I was an idiot.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:03 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:No...
had JOE burrow had BRADy calling plays and helping attack weaknesses in the D in his first year the results would have been far different and far better.
Burrow was hitting open receivers, who were dropping the ball. I remember there being 4-5 passes a game where that happened.
You didn't need different play calls, the WRs were open already. What you needed was the Summer of 10000 Catches, the commitment we saw from the offense to not have drops anymore.
People brag on the Joe Brady offense, but he wasn't scripting plays where Jefferson or Chase were blanketed but caught it anyway. We went from drops, to unless the DB batted the ball down (rare) or Burrow flat missed (even rarer), it was a catch.
quote:Daniels transferred to a new team, and had to get used to the players. Yr 1 he focused on Boutte, which would appear to be the right decision... but Boutte let him (and the team) down. Yr 2 he counted on Nabers, who did perform.
JD5 had started 3 straight years. usually what you see is what you get after starting that long. he proved most here wrong making a huge jump between 3rd and 4th seasons.
Nuss counted on Lacy, who would have been a 1k WR if he didn't have the drops. Next season there's Anderson, who is short... that takes away from some of the 50-50 balls. Let's see if anyone else steps up. Hilton would appear to be the obvious choice from size/speed, but he needs a BIG step up.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:24 pm to Scoob
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Next season there's Anderson, who is short... that takes away from some of the 50-50 balls. Let's see if anyone else steps up. Hilton would appear to be the obvious choice from size/speed, but he needs a BIG step up.
Look to the "new" Anderson. 6'4 219. He's going to be the Brian Thomas type WR. Hurt in 24', but was a beast in 23'. 38 catches with 10 being TDs and 21+ per catch.
Nic Anderson 2023 highlights
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:26 pm to JimTiger72
He was overall as well, more yards, more TDs better ypp.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:27 pm to BayouBaw84
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:09 am to TexasTiger_08
Same here. Burrow had an "it" factor even in first year when the stats weren't great.
Jaden surprised me. I thought he was just a running QB in year 1. I give him most of the credit for the hard work he put in to become great.
Jaden surprised me. I thought he was just a running QB in year 1. I give him most of the credit for the hard work he put in to become great.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:15 am to TN Tygah
Burrow and especially Jayden also worked their asses off between season 1 and season 2 like no QB’s I’ve ever seen. It was insane. Does Nuss have that in him? Very few people do.
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I don't agree with many of your posts, but do here. The work effort of both was impressive. Let's hope Nuss gets key receivers together in the off-season, then is the first guy to work in the mornings next year.
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I don't agree with many of your posts, but do here. The work effort of both was impressive. Let's hope Nuss gets key receivers together in the off-season, then is the first guy to work in the mornings next year.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:36 am to Lester Earl
All that to say, pretending he was better than Daniels and burrow because he had more impressive counting stats that were all due to volume of throw attempts is just silly & ignorant.
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I agree on Burrow, but it is not silly to say this about Daniels first year. Daniels was so reluctant to let it rip his first year that he looked like a running QB. Nuss was much better as a first year starter. Let's hope he works on his deficiencies the way Jaden did. Many focus on his refusal to run, but if he improves on pre-snap reads and progressions, he can be special next year. He also needs a couple of his receivers to play big, and the Oline to be decent, so we have some unknowns to let play out.
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I agree on Burrow, but it is not silly to say this about Daniels first year. Daniels was so reluctant to let it rip his first year that he looked like a running QB. Nuss was much better as a first year starter. Let's hope he works on his deficiencies the way Jaden did. Many focus on his refusal to run, but if he improves on pre-snap reads and progressions, he can be special next year. He also needs a couple of his receivers to play big, and the Oline to be decent, so we have some unknowns to let play out.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:37 am to Towelie
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the second Joe called that audible in the beginning of the Miami game I knew he was different, and we finally had a real QB.
lol Obviously it worked out but you knew he was different after calling an audible??
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