re: Why did Mainieri start to slip late at lsu?

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How so?

Mainieri in his first four years made it to Omaha twice.

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And this is Jay's fourth season we're currently in. Not that hard to understand.

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Hell, the trainer was the MVP for the 1991 National Championship team as he kept Skip going the whole year.

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Was it just me or could anyone else hear Skip grumbling and mumbling with the trainer after they read this quote?

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I never felt that Mainieri was elite. Not at the start, not at the finish. He was a good coach, but not a Skip. I feel Jay is a step above, time will tell.

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As much as PM praised and admired Skip, he didn't have the "hunches" that Skip did although he relied on those as opposed to the percentages of baseball.
PM's reluctance to sac bunt was ridiculous as we lost many, many games in late innings when man on first and PM "hunched" us into a rally killing double play instead of playing for a tying run. Skip didn't bunt much but he had Gorilla Ball and PM didn't and in most of PM's years we were DP machines on offense. Didn't make sense that he would do the same thing over and over with the same disappointing outcome.
He will, as well as the few PM supporters left at the end, sight the occasional win that came from his "hunches" but the %'s were severely upside down.
And don't buy the SW statement of "retiring to get healthy" Former supporters of PM had enough & pressured SW to cut him loose, although SW might have done it without the heat. And SW hit a grand slam with JJ hire. That guy is fire and will win several more at LSU if he stays here 10 years! Geaux Tigers!

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And this is Jay's fourth season we're currently in. Not that hard to understand.

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You're missing the context of what Jay took over compared to what Mainieri took over.

Not that hard to understand, but you won't because you don't like me and always want to fight

PM took over a program who, in the last 5 years, had:
- won 40 games 4 times
- went to 2 CWS
- hosted 4 regionals
- won the conference 1 time
- never finished worse than 8th in the conference
- went 35-24 the year before he took over.

PM then took over and went:
- missed post season
- CWS
- National title
- road regional, went 1-2
- missed post season

PM first team notable guys he didn't bring in
- Jared Mitchell
- Hollander
- Ochinko
- Schimpf
- Jared Bradford
- Louis Coleman
- Blake Dean

Jay took over a program that, in the last 5 years
- went to 1 CWS
- won 40+ games 1 time
- hosted twice
- finished higher than 5th in the conference once
- was maybe the last team in the tournament the year before he got there

Jay then took over and went:
- 2 seed lost in regional championship
- national title
- 2 seed lost in regional championship

Jay first team notable guys he didn't bring in
- Crews
- Morgan
- Doughty
- Thompson
- Dugas
- Pearson
- Travinski
- Fontenot?
- Floyd
- Beloso
- Milazzo

You can probably argue successfully that Jay took over a program with better players, though the past results speak for themselves. Jay had the best player, likely ends up with 3 major leaguers. PM started with 2 major leaguers, a first round pick, and the perfect college player in Blake Dean. Outside of Crews and maybe Morgan, I don't think Jay inherited anyone as good as Mitchell, Dean, or Schimpf.

Still, Jay taking over in the SEC in 2022 is infinitely harder than taking over in the SEC in 2007. It's a lot more arguable than how you're portraying it.

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You're missing the context of what Jay took over compared to what Mainieri took over.

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both had great players still on the roster, pitching I’ll agree was way worse with Paul’s 07 team compared to Jay’s ‘22 team but smoke/turtle left him with Dean, Ochinko, Schimpf, Hollander, Mitchell, freshmen all American JT Wise, Coleman, & Bertuccini. Outside of Hollander & Wise the rest of course were major contributors to that 09 championship team.

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PM took over a program who, in the last 5 years, had:
- won 40 games 4 times
- went to 2 CWS
- hosted 4 regionals
- won the conference 1 time
- never finished worse than 8th in the conference
- went 35-24 the year before he took over.

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He took over a program that was in shambles after losing a regional for the first time in 10+ years and missing the postseason for the first time in 10+ years. Smoke had the program in the gutter his last year.

Mainieri had the program in the Supers his last year.

Trying to seriously make the argument that 2006 LSU and 2021 are anywhere close to comparable is hilarious.

The roster turnover that Mainieri did from 06 to 07 to 08 was pretty nuts.

Why are you just referencing the last year. LSU baseball under PM was going nowhere, very fast. Dylan Crews and Gavin Dugas carried LSU in Eugene. PM had nothing to do with it. LSU got a curtesy invite to the tournament in 21 because PM had announced his retirement the day after the regular season ended. The 20 team would have been even worse. They were 12-5 in the noncon.

Yes, Smoke left a dumpster fire. Even then, LSU had some good-great pieces coming in in 07, a new stadium coming in 09, and the SEC wasn't what it was today, back then. College baseball as a whole wasn't what it was today, back in 07.

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Trying to seriously make the argument that 2006 LSU and 2021 are anywhere close to comparable is hilarious.

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These hyperbolic statements do not help your argument. I just laid out exactly why the two situations were extremely comparable. Smoke even won more in his last 5 years than PM did in his last 5 years.

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Why are you just referencing the last year.

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Because that's the situation each coach took over.

What LSU did 5 years prior to Jay or Mainieri means nothing.

ETA: LOL at the downvotes. You're right Mainieri got a kush job because Smoke made the CWS in 03 and 04 with hardly any of those players being on his 07 roster, in which he ran off some.

The 2006 roster that LSU fielded is the most pathetic roster that LSU fielded since Skip took over.