re: Why can’t we reload?

They don't reload, they retain upperclassmen... We haven't figured out how to do that yet.

Too many players leaving early for the draft rather than staying and honoring their scholarship. Only a handful of players that left early made it big. I think the mass exodus we had this year really hurt. But these young players we have here will gel and be fine. I think the bigger problem here is the expectations of spoiled fans. Everyone needs to relax and enjoy watching these young players grow.

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But if we had even done well enough to tackle after the catch, instead of allowing 15+ yds afterwards, we probably win by a score or 2.

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That's a good take considering you didn't watch the whole game. The poor tackling was a big part of our loss.

But the biggest reason we didn't reload this year is because we lost the off season. Probably add to that the weak recruiting class in 18 and we just didn't have the fire power to reload this year. Saban and Dabo have a way of convincing enough experienced talent to stick around that they aren't completely rebuilding with either players or coaches in a given year. No doubt we have talent, but we really could have used the opening cupcakes this year more than anyone given how much experience we lost. Will this be an ongoing problem for O or is it just the fact that we haven't completely established stability in this program yet?

Time will tell.

To be fair, our DLine hasn’t been much better under O. I mean it’s not like they’re dominant and the coach’s expertise is supposed to be DLine. Until Guillory and Roy last year, Saban came and got whatever he wanted from Ed.

Trey Quinn was obviously a player who got shuffled back and out of favor after the Bama game drops. But him transferring shows there were good players behind him to take his spot. We just have never had a good QB but skill players have never been an issue really. Definitely good enough to win and better than most programs.

Fair point about recent recruiting. It’s been better for Ed but results to be seen. I did not like the way he managed transfers in and out this past year. Cox is great addition after Queen blew up and left but passing on a QB and putting all eggs in the Brennan basket when you had 3 open scholarships was unwise clearly. If even just for the fact that you knew your only other options were 18yo true freshmen behind Brennan that had no benefit of spring ball etc due to Covid. Poor roster management at the most critical position.

I have heard that about Ja’Marr but you don’t know what could’ve changed. I remember when Miles first offered Beckham as a DB and he started considering The U. Things change. I would have been surprised if he turned away a 5-star WR from the city by the time Chase was a senior. We can all say a lot about Miles and his goofy ways but he didn’t miss out on skill guys much, especially WR. Saban came and took some from him but Les got the best WR talent in the state to Baton Rouge most of his tenure here. Either way, my point is that it should’nt be hard for LSU to sign a Nola kid that Saban doesn’t want. That’s like a 90% probability no matter who the head coach is. Add Saban and the percentage drops way down. I think Sumlin took Speedy from us but I don’t know of many WRs we ever missed on to non-Bama schools even as shitty as our passing game was under Miles.

We have reloaded. We have the talent to win and win now. We not only lost a shitload of talent that is proving how great they truly were in the nfl this season this far, but we lost alot of coaches. We have a totally new defense and we were short our best player on the team that just so happened to play cb this last game. Throw in another starter in kary vincent in the secondary and we had alot of fresh players out there, some of which I've never even heard of before, but had to play due to our lack of available players. Then, shelvin and chase opted out which was another huge blow to our starting lineups as well. We are young and inexperienced at key spots and we believe this team will continually improve as the season goes along. We weren't going to win a conference title or natty this season regardless man. Too many new pieces to gel that quickly. Brennan has got to develop and develop fast bc he is the key. Our defense was on the field for alot of time vs state and Brennan couldn't make plays to get them a damn breather all day long. It all lies on the qb position. If Brennan can't get it done, then we need to just move on asap and play mad johnson or Finley and get them valuable experience and build for our future bc if Brennan can't play better than he did this past weekend, we arent going to do shite this season of next anyway with him. Like I said, its all on him. The whole team has vast improvements to be made, but I have faith in our defense improving greatly, Brennan idk about. We will see.

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Just look at last year's team -- it was largely stacked with Miles' recruits

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Miles recruits who started last year:
Fulton
Lawrence
Logan
Divinity*
Magee
Cushenberry

Orgeron Recruits that started last year:
Burrow
Edwards-Helaire
Stevens
Chaisson
Decelus
Phillips
Delpit
Vincent
Charles
Queen
Farrell
McMath*
Jefferson
Stingley
Marshall
Chase
Lewis
Fehoko

I find it hard to give Miles the 2017 class given he was fired 4 games into the 2016 season. Orgeron had to keep that class together. Remember when Saban left, we ended up with a class of like 12 commits in 2005. It's not easy to keep a class intact after a coaching change like that.

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Edwards-Helaire
Stevens
Decelus
Phillips
Delpit
Vincent
Charles
Queen
Farrell
McMath*
Jefferson

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Feel free to use semantics but all these kids were committed to Miles. Ed just got them to stick. Miles also had Stingley committed and he was always coming to LSU.

Again, trying to undermine Miles’ ability to get talent is laughable and simply a false narrative. Did he have holes, specifically at QB? Sure. Kind of like the same hole Ed has now at QB. They all have them.

I’m not ready to crown Ed until he proves his recruiting long term. Miles did that and talent wasn’t really the issue.

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Finish with a strong 21 and 22 recruiting class will start the reload process. Coach O just hasn’t had time

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time? O has had 4 recruiting classes.

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Feel free to use semantics but all these kids were committed to Miles. Ed just got them to stick. Miles also had Stingley committed and he was always coming to LSU.

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You say feel free to use semantics while giving Miles all the credit for guys that signed LOIs after he was fired. What would you call that? Oh, that’s right, semantics

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trying to undermine Miles’ ability to get talent is laughable and simply a false narrative

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Oh for fricks sake stop being so dramatic. No one is undermining your hero Les Miles. But when you try to give Miles all the credit for the 2019 roster, that is trying to undermine the guy who won the national title because he lost a game Saturday

The facts are Miles never coached those guys a single day. And you don’t need to “crown” Orgeron. He accomplished that without your blessing. Also curious, who was in charge of recruiting on Miles’ staff?

Frank Wilson. Did a helluva job too

Orgeron does have 1 title like Miles. But he also now owns 3 of the most hideous losses LSU has had in the last dozen or so years.