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Why can't the NCAA come up with a point system?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:37 am
Ohio has a point system to determine your team's ranking.
It is based on the size of your school (the NCAA could do this by making all teams in the power five conferences worth the same points and throw in some independents if warranted) and how the team you beat does that season.
You get zero points for a loss.
It gives teams the incentive to schedule tough opponents.
You could play around with this but it would take the "Eye Test" out of the decision making.
It is based on the size of your school (the NCAA could do this by making all teams in the power five conferences worth the same points and throw in some independents if warranted) and how the team you beat does that season.
You get zero points for a loss.
It gives teams the incentive to schedule tough opponents.
You could play around with this but it would take the "Eye Test" out of the decision making.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:41 am to mark fortney
Because not all games are created equal. A win against a top ranked P5 is a lot different than a win against Arkansas or Rutgers at home.
So then what? Use subjective measures to assign teams point values?
So then what? Use subjective measures to assign teams point values?
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:50 am to mark fortney
quote:
It is based on the size of your school
So UCF is the champion.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:52 am to mark fortney
Eye test is still in it. It’s not like other leagues where you have 15-32 teams. You have 130 teams. So how would the points work? They’d have to change over the course of a season. For instance we beat Texas who at the time was considered to be a playoff contender. I remember every talking head after the game talking about a rematch in the playoffs. Now look at them. That was absolutely a quality win at the time. But as the season has played out, it has as much quality to it as beating a Mississippi State
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:53 am to mark fortney
What you do is give a team let’s say 10 points for beating a P5 team and you also get 1 point for every game your opponents win.
If you play a bunch of bad teams, you lose points cuz those teams won’t win other games to help you out.
That’s how the Louisiana HS playoffs worked at least up until they split between select and non select.
If you play a bunch of bad teams, you lose points cuz those teams won’t win other games to help you out.
That’s how the Louisiana HS playoffs worked at least up until they split between select and non select.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:55 am to BPTiger
quote:Count opponents’ wins and opponents’ opponents’ wins.
Because not all games are created equal. A win against a top ranked P5 is a lot different than a win against Arkansas or Rutgers at home.
So then what?
That said, a point system won’t fly with the public unless the bracket is at least 8 big. Too much potential for an undefeated P5 to be shut out in lieu of a 1-loss conference non-champion, which would be worse than the worst the BBC ever did.
Point system can be top 8, and a committee can seed them.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:Not realistic.
What you do is give a team let’s say 10 points for beating a P5 team
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:05 am to xiv
Your total points would be determined by the record of the teams you beat.
Arkansas and Alabama would give you the same first level points but Bama would give you a lot more secondary points because of their record.
It takes the "Eye Test' out of it and rewards you for playing tougher teams----or do you prefer how it is now?
Arkansas and Alabama would give you the same first level points but Bama would give you a lot more secondary points because of their record.
It takes the "Eye Test' out of it and rewards you for playing tougher teams----or do you prefer how it is now?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:10 am to mark fortney
Your wins = A
Your opponents’ wins = B
Your opponents’ opponents’ wins = C
Maximum number of games played= D
Your rating = R
R = A*D^2 + BD + C
That right there with a big-enough bracket is good enough to “pick” the top 8 or so. We can either seed that way or let a committee seed the teams (maybe keep geography and conference affiliation in mind) once they’ve been determined.
ETA: I’ll crunch the numbers and spit out some rankings based on that shortly.
Your opponents’ wins = B
Your opponents’ opponents’ wins = C
Maximum number of games played= D
Your rating = R
R = A*D^2 + BD + C
That right there with a big-enough bracket is good enough to “pick” the top 8 or so. We can either seed that way or let a committee seed the teams (maybe keep geography and conference affiliation in mind) once they’ve been determined.
ETA: I’ll crunch the numbers and spit out some rankings based on that shortly.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:19 am to mark fortney
We had this already.....it was called the BCS.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:32 am to mark fortney
I was going to play around and try and replicate the Florida High School football RPI calculation for the top~10 teams to see how it would play out compared to the polls.
RPI = (0.35 × WP) + (0.35 × OWP) + (0.30 × OOWP)
Team's win %
Opp Win %
Opp Opp Win %
The time killer is getting all the opponents and opponents opponents schedules and taking out the team in question....
RPI = (0.35 × WP) + (0.35 × OWP) + (0.30 × OOWP)
Team's win %
Opp Win %
Opp Opp Win %
The time killer is getting all the opponents and opponents opponents schedules and taking out the team in question....
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:36 am to mark fortney
This already exists.
It’s what morons call “computer rankings”
It’s what morons call “computer rankings”
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:07 am to xiv
quote:If chalk holds up this weekend, here are the top 8 using that formula:
Your wins = A
Your opponents’ wins = B
Your opponents’ opponents’ wins = C
Maximum number of games played= D
Your rating = R
R = A*D^2 + BD + C
1 Ohio St 5603
2 LSU 5403
3 Clemson 5193
4 Memphis 5118
5 Oklahoma 5094
6 Boise St 5070
7 Utah 5019
8 Georgia 5009
Fine with me if we seed those or if we divide by East and West or North and South and seed however we like:
E1 tOSU v E4 Memphis | E2 Clemson v E3 Georgia
W1 LSU v W4 Boise St | W2 Oklahoma v W3 Utah
or
N1 tOSU v N4 Boise St | N2 Oklahoma v N3 Utah
S1 LSU v S4 Memphis | S2 Clemson v S3 Georgia
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:10 am to Irish LSU Fan
quote:not even close. The BCS was two-thirds human polls, and one-third computer rankings, with different metrics.
We had this already.....it was called the BCS.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:34 am to mark fortney
quote:
It is based on the size of your school
This is just stupid.
A point system has to have some foundation for determining how many points each win is and that would require a ranking system - now you're back to a ranking system.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:41 am to mark fortney
The answer to all this hypocrisy (by you guys), tinfoil hats, and butt-hurt fanbases (you guys) is to expand the playoff to 8 or 16 teams.
That's the only answer. It doesn't have to be the top 8 teams or the top 16 teams based on rankings, and it could be done objectively. It could be all conference champions plus handful of at-large teams decided by records/opp win-losses, etc. The seeding can just be fixed bowl matchups just like it is now.
It's really not that hard - every other sport does it in some fashion and it doesn't cause this much mass fricking tinfoil hat hysteria.
That's the only answer. It doesn't have to be the top 8 teams or the top 16 teams based on rankings, and it could be done objectively. It could be all conference champions plus handful of at-large teams decided by records/opp win-losses, etc. The seeding can just be fixed bowl matchups just like it is now.
It's really not that hard - every other sport does it in some fashion and it doesn't cause this much mass fricking tinfoil hat hysteria.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:42 am to mark fortney
This shite isnt a science, its not hard to look and see who the best 4 teams in college football are.
Just WATCH THE GAMES.
Just WATCH THE GAMES.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:59 am to xiv
quote:
Your wins = A Your opponents’ wins = B Your opponents’ opponents’ wins = C Maximum number of games played= D Your rating = R
That's as good as it gets, completely removing bias and the eye test. Been thinking of that system for years, mostly for NFL playoffs. Fits college even better.
I like that you accrue your own points for a win, but you also inherit those of your opponent and their opponents. Make it happen. :)
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:04 am to atltiger6487
quote:
quote:
We had this already.....it was called the BCS.
not even close. The BCS was two-thirds human polls, and one-third computer rankings, with different metrics.
Until 2003, the BCS used a "stregnth of schedule" component that is exactly what is being described in this thread. It wasn't weighted as heavily as the polls or the computers, and was dropped because it kept media favorite USC out of a title game berth.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:25 am to dat yat
There is no "perfect" system.
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