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re: Why are people ignoring Orgeron's record at Ole Miss
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to Goldrush25
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to Goldrush25
Because people learn from experience....
You are not the same person you were 10 years ago.
..it is obvious that your opinion is based on personal dislike either for him, or because YOUR guy was not hired.
I give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise..
I also take in FACTS when passing judgment.
we have ONE loss, most teams would love to have ONE loss.
You are not the same person you were 10 years ago.
..it is obvious that your opinion is based on personal dislike either for him, or because YOUR guy was not hired.
I give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise..
I also take in FACTS when passing judgment.
we have ONE loss, most teams would love to have ONE loss.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to tigerworkpart2
Some people want to have hope. Thinking about O's Ole Miss record doesn't give people much to be hopeful for. 
Some people are realist though and will not be hopeful until O shows some results. As of right now, the results are not only bad, they're atrocious. O is going to have to prove something before some of us will have faith.
Some people are realist though and will not be hopeful until O shows some results. As of right now, the results are not only bad, they're atrocious. O is going to have to prove something before some of us will have faith.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to tigerworkpart2
he coached at ole miss? When was this?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to Ace Midnight
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But it's irrelevant. Completely, utterly, totally irrelevant to what is happening at LSU in 2017.
I mean, it isn't. Not even remotely.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:40 am to tigerworkpart2
Shut the f*ck up on O already. The trajectory of this program under Les Miles needed to change. We struck out on the big name coaches. That's on our AD. CEO got his dream job and he is gonna get 3 years to succeed or fail. The basic plan of recruiting and hiring top-notch coordinators seems simple enough to work. Time will tell.
And, If O takes us back to the DiNardo days, at least we will weed out the bandwagon fans and get rid our corporate whore of an AD. Maybe LSU football can get back to being fun again. Show up on Saturday, drink beer, catch up with old friends, and go scream your head off for 4 hours regardless of the logo on the other teams helmet. Hell, maybe TGBFTL will even play a few songs.
And, If O takes us back to the DiNardo days, at least we will weed out the bandwagon fans and get rid our corporate whore of an AD. Maybe LSU football can get back to being fun again. Show up on Saturday, drink beer, catch up with old friends, and go scream your head off for 4 hours regardless of the logo on the other teams helmet. Hell, maybe TGBFTL will even play a few songs.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:41 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Fantastic
Nobody is ignoring it now. I'm certainly not. But it's irrelevant. Completely, utterly, totally irrelevant to what is happening at LSU in 2017.
If you dwell on it, you're part of the problem. The time to consider that is before you hire him. The powers that be apparently did and took his job (which we must admit has been admirable) as an interim HC at 2 top tier schools, including here, as overriding that.
Now - is what he did at USC also irrelevant now? Yeah. So is his work as interim LSU HC, although less so, because it was more or less a continuum - he didn't stop doing that job to take the permanent gig.
However - to reiterate - what happened at Ole Miss under O is IRRELEVANT to what is happening at LSU under O in 2017.
Move on, or remain part of the problem.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:41 am to Negatiger1986
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The trajectory of this program under Les Miles needed to change.
Agreed. Why didn't our administration give us a coach who could do that? We're still heading in the same direction, only more quickly.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:41 am to sicboy
quote:at least one did, the one that gave him millions of dollars
Trust me. Absolutely NO ONE is ignoring that.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:42 am to Freauxzen
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So "some" of his history matters, just not all of it.
Well the reverse is also true for the Antifos - O's coaching background is not exclusively what he did at Ole Miss. Yes, that's his only permanent HC spot before LSU. Yes, it should have been looked at long and hard before he was offered the job here.
But, you have an AD that didn't want to bid for talent and didn't want to negotiate. So - again - for the umpteenth time - what O did at Ole Miss is IRRELEVANT to what is going on at LSU in 2017.
Big takeaway is don't have a guy like Joe Alleva hiring your football head coach. frick it - don't have that guy as your AD. He's not very good at it and we can (or ought to be able to) hire better, somewhat paradoxically/ironically if we're willing to bid for talent and negotiate with that talent.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:45 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:43 am to TheCaterpillar
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Imagine if your business/company hired people that were historically bad at their job when they worked for your closest competitor?
Eh. I get where you're going with this, but people restart their careers and learn from their past all the time. However, I do agree that he never proved himself again as a full-time HC at a smaller school.
To continue the business analogy. An embattled executive that's fired by the board will often end up as an executive of a smaller, growing company that's willing to take a flyer.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:43 am to tigerworkpart2
Yes a lot of it has to do with him being from the bayou. I know several people that know absolutely nothing about football who said O was the right man from the job because he can relate to people from south Louisiana. That's the mentality and the example I gave was just a small one at that. All you had to do was listen to WWL when he was in the running for the job and caller after caller basically said the same thing in regard to O being the best man for the job.
Emotional hires usually don't work out too well but maybe LSU will get lucky. I guess we will see what we have after Florida right?
Emotional hires usually don't work out too well but maybe LSU will get lucky. I guess we will see what we have after Florida right?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:45 am to tigerworkpart2
Bitch you need to get a life. People do learn from their mistakes. Damn idiot
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:46 am to sicboy
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Absolutely NO ONE is ignoring that.
Alleva ignored it last year.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:48 am to Mo Jeaux
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I mean, it isn't. Not even remotely.
For frick's sake - how? If we had 4 4TD victories at this point, would it matter? Conversely, if he had won 2 conference titles at Ole Miss and left after 4 years because of personal/family problems, would any of you folks give a single frick about that if we had lost to BYU, struggled against Chatt, then dropped MSU and Cuse by less than a touchdown and we were sitting at 1-3 right now?
frick no. Nobody would give a single shite about his record at Ole Miss - they would be literally out with pitchforks and torches.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:51 am to Mo Jeaux
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Agreed. Why didn't our administration give us a coach who could do that? We're still heading in the same direction, only more quickly.
reading your posts over the years, I can reasonably say that you do not have the acumen to make a statement like this
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:52 am to rbdallas
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Because people learn from experience....
You are not the same person you were 10 years ago.
Yeah but I've addressed this. You don't become a great coach just because you've learned from mistakes.
The best case scenario is that Orgeron transforms from a bad coach to an adequate coach. Is that what LSU is now, hiring adequate coaches? We have top 10 facilities/infrastructure and an adequate (at best) coach.
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it is obvious that your opinion is based on personal dislike either for him, or because YOUR guy was not hired.
My guy was ~20 coaches that have proven their worth through merit. Unreasonable, I know.
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I give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise
He has already proven himself as a losing coach. That's his default until proven otherwise, and he's off to a lousy start.
Stating we have one loss is incredibly disingenuous. We've played 3 cupcakes and one real team, the loss.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:53 am to Ace Midnight
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For frick's sake - how? If we had 4 4TD victories at this point, would it matter? Conversely, if he had won 2 conference titles at Ole Miss and left after 4 years because of personal/family problems, would any of you folks give a single frick about that if we had lost to BYU, struggled against Chatt, then dropped MSU and Cuse by less than a touchdown and we were sitting at 1-3 right now? frick no. Nobody would give a single shite about his record at Ole Miss - they would be literally out with pitchforks and torches.
Oh, I see. You're attributing some sort of proximate cause quality to that record. That doesn't work. Of course that record isn't "causing" current actions, so in that manner it is irrelevant. That record is, however, an indicator, so in that manner, it is very relevant.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:53 am to TigerOne
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Alleva ignored it last year.
To reiterate - this is the problem. ALLEVA is the problem. All O did was his job and apply for the job permanently. It is not O's fault that Alleva didn't want to bid for talent and didn't want to negotiate. That is Alleva and FKing's fault.
I want O to turn things around as quickly as possible, nail a great recruiting class and live happily ever after. But if he fails - I want someone other than Alleva and FKing selecting his successor - and this will be in 2019 or 2020 - so you folks calling for his head now - you cats have a long, long wait.
And if we don't replace Alleva and, probably, FKing - the next coach will unlikely to be much of an improvement. You have to bid for talent and you have to negotiate.
Ask Bama if Saban is worth ~$7.5 million per year.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:54 am to tigerworkpart2
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Why is O allowed to simply say he learned his lesson after his failures at Ole Miss? Everyone that supports EO says you can't look at his record at Ole Miss because he learned from his mistakes. Anyone would obviously assume after each losing season at Ole Miss surely he would try different things from the year before. Is it just because he's from SE Louisiana?
Many who support O now didn't support there hire. You realize that, no?
The reality is that whatever shortcomings Orgeron has isn't the cause of the problems we're seeing at the moment. Rational people can understand this.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:55 am to Lester Earl
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reading your posts over the years, I can reasonably say that you do not have the acumen to make a statement like this
Great, Lester. Thanks for your input, as trite, trivial, and meaningless as it is. I hope it made you feel better about yourself, particularly considering the fact that I don't really give a shite what you think about me.
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