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re: Why (and who)built the culture of playing for yourself at LSU? facts included
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:08 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:08 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Correct
LSU is going to close on their 3rd straight top 5 recruiting class.
But lsu cant manage a roster due to opt outs, early draftees, etc etc like Clemson and OSU
That is why those two programs have shown they are year in and year out contenders, and lsu hasnt
Kinda the point of the entire thread........
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:09 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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We had a punter leave early for the draft...who did NOT get drafted.
Yet he played in the NFL for 5+ years.
These are family decisions, the coaches and schools have very little to do with it.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:10 pm to misey94
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What’s capitalist about labor unions?
Workers are like goods. Supply and demand. In this case, there are very few people who can execute this work (play the game) at the level of these “workers” (athletes). They are in short supply but high demand due to the amount of money being made off the product (the game) and the fact that few are qualified (skillful) enough to do the work (effectively play the position).
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:13 pm to lsupride87
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But lsu cant manage a roster due to opt outs, early draftees, etc etc like Clemson and OSU
Everything that has happened since January is unprecedented bro.
From what LSU did on the field, to having a perfect storm of highly regarded draft eligible players, to now all this Covid stuff.
Every kid that went pro last year made the right decision.
The opt outs are not exclusive to LSU. This has happened across college football, in the nfl, and even the nba. This shite exists outside of the LSU bubble
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:18 pm to Lester Earl
I'm concerned that the new trend is to play 2 years and sit out the third season and get ready for the draft.
That is a bigger problem than 3 years and done.
That is a bigger problem than 3 years and done.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:21 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Cool. Which is why the OP highlights data for the last 7 years bro
Everything that has happened since January is unprecedented bro.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:22 pm to BigTiger80
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I'm concerned that the new trend is to play 2 years and sit out the third season and get ready for the draft.
That is a bigger problem than 3 years and done.
Adapt and survive
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:26 pm to Lester Earl
Outside Marshall idk who leaves “early”
Sure everyone can come back but who else is going pro?
I could See Logan and Cox not taking an extra years 24 year old DL aren’t exactly in high demand, and Cox was always gonna be one and done.
O needs to get Gaye and Ingram to come back.
Sure everyone can come back but who else is going pro?
I could See Logan and Cox not taking an extra years 24 year old DL aren’t exactly in high demand, and Cox was always gonna be one and done.
O needs to get Gaye and Ingram to come back.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:29 pm to lsupride87
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Which is why the OP highlights data for the last 7 years bro
You posted a two year old article that highlights the issues the last coach had.
How can LSU be still be pushing a 3 & done culture when the coach openly talks about the need to re-recruit players back into the program? And has actually done so successfully.
It can’t be both lol.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:30 pm to BigTiger80
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I'm concerned that the new trend is to play 2 years and sit out the third season and get ready for the draft.
I’m not sure what will happen when things normalize, but that would be an ncaa issue, not an LSU issue
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:31 pm to Lester Earl
quote:And since then, LSU has only added to its lead in players leaving early
You posted a two year old article that highlights the issues the last coach had.
You can ignore the sky being blue as well if you want
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:31 pm to J2thaROC
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Workers are like goods. Supply and demand. In this case, there are very few people who can execute this work (play the game) at the level of these “workers” (athletes). They are in short supply but high demand due to the amount of money being made off the product (the game) and the fact that few are qualified (skillful) enough to do the work (effectively play the position).
That has absolutely nothing to do with any argument here. Your spiel certainly doesn’t negate the fact that the union colludes with the NFL to benefit its existing due-paying membership over younger college kids. There is nothing capitalist at all about how and when players can get to the league, including the draft and the salary cap. It’s a closed and highly regulated system.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:34 pm to SammyTiger
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Outside Marshall idk who leaves “early”
Sure everyone can come back but who else is going pro?
I could See Logan and Cox not taking an extra years 24 year old DL aren’t exactly in high demand, and Cox was always gonna be one and done.
The extra year sounds good in theory, but then again who wants to spend 5 & 6 years in college?
Like Cushenberry last year, he was in college 4 years, and graduated. He was an “early entrant”. Kinda hard to crush him for that.
Thad Moss graduated too. He missed a full season to injury & a full season to transfer. His stock was never going to be higher.
The early entry stuff is not always Malachi Dupre thinking he’s pro ready.
And Cox is gone. He’s accepted an invite to the Sr bowl. He’s going to be a top 100 pick.
A guy like Ingram isn’t going to want to spend a 5th year in school either, for example.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
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I’m not sure what will happen when things normalize, but that would be an ncaa issue, not an LSU issue
It should wake the NCAA up to the fact that new rules regarding sponsorships and the player’s profiting off of their name and likeness have to be rolled out now, not in a few years.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:36 pm to lsupride87
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And since then, LSU has only added to its lead in players leaving early
After a world record breaking season, players cashed out & were top 100 picks lol.
That’s how it’s supposed to happen.
Explain guys like Lawrence, Fulton, Shelvin, Vincent agreeing to come back to school.
Kinda contradicts what you “think” the message is that Les Miles recruited players are talking about in a 2 year old article.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:38 pm to Lester Earl
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A guy like Ingram isn’t going to want to spend a 5th year in school either, for example.
A guy like Ingram needs to understand how much money they are potentially leaving on the table. The more you make on your rookie deal, the better off you are if things don’t pan out long-term.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:39 pm to Lester Earl
The last 9 years LSU has led every other team by a healthy margin of players leaving early. That’s 3.5 season of O and 5.5 seasons of Les
That’s just the simply truth Lester. This thread is discuss the why, not ignore its factual existence
That’s just the simply truth Lester. This thread is discuss the why, not ignore its factual existence
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:41 pm to lsupride87
Frank Wilson was telling recruits this when he got on staff in 2010 or 2011
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:42 pm to lsupride87
It has a lot to do with BR’s terrible arse culture IMO. Louisiana in general is a shithole filled with bad people who take advantage of kids for their own gain, including family members and “mentors”. LSU football’s lack of success year after year is a reflection of our state’s lack of success year after year, despite both having incredible resources
Posted on 11/30/20 at 12:42 pm to J2thaROC
I made that clear earlier
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