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re: What's wrong with the running game?

Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2380 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:51 pm to
The tigers missed a few players last night. Emery, Maason Smith and yes Denver Harris.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111300 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:53 pm to
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One of the biggest issues that Daniels causes is no one knows what the frick he's going to do. It works in our favor sometimes and sometimes it ends in dropped passes, missed blocks, etc
We're talking about designed run plays.

FSU stuffed us because they won matchups.

It had nothing to do with how they did or didn't respect Daniels in the passing game, they did not stack the box all night. They simply won individual matchups in the trenches.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27454 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:56 pm to
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Is it scheme? Denbrock displays absolutely zero creativity in run plays. Quality of RBs, ability of the lineman? All of the above?


Denbrock is blue bell vanilla. Kelly likes this style of offense. It was pointed out when Kelly was hired.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53491 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:56 pm to
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We're talking about designed run plays.

FSU stuffed us because they won matchups.

It had nothing to do with how they did or didn't respect Daniels in the passing game, they did not stack the box all night. They simply won individual matchups in the trenches.


They weren't stacking the box presnap but their linebackers and safeties were constantly surging down to the LOS and stuffing the backs.

I'm not sure what you were watching.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12134 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:57 pm to
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Teams have started to defense the run because Daniels is shitty downfield passer. It’s only going to get worse, it’s Nuss or bust.



A guy making 10 mil a year can't understand that.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48587 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:59 pm to
They did the same thing Arky did last season. Man outside with two players free in the middle 5 and 10 yards off the LOS. So we had 6 blocking 8 pretty much all night.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119554 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:02 pm to
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it wouldn't make the Oline get dominated any less than they did last night.


There were only a few times were the OL was legitimately one on one beat. That's going to happen. The issue is our OL players can't block 2 men at the same time. When defenses stack the box with safeties creeping up there will always be an extra man to block. It's easy to stop the run when you have an un-blocked defender. They don't respect JD's ability to throw past 15 yard over the middle. It make defense easy and fun to play at that point.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53491 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:04 pm to
FSU's top 5 leading tacklers were mostly defensive backs with a linebacker or two.

The majority of their TFL's were by DB's and LB's.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119554 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:14 pm to
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They did the same thing Arky did last season. Man outside with two players free in the middle 5 and 10 yards off the LOS. So we had 6 blocking 8 pretty much all night.




There is something you can do to counter this defense. Hmm...JD has entire off season to address this issue. I wonder what happened? Too bad you can't counter this defense on X-Box then he would have known.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111300 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:15 pm to
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There were only a few times were the OL was legitimately one on one beat
It was nearly every run we tried.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
10829 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:16 pm to
The second Nussmeier goes into the game, the running game will make a massive leap because every DC in college football knows they have to send extra help to the backfield.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111300 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:21 pm to
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The majority of their TFL's were by DB's and LB's.
1 DB had 0.5 TFL. And LBs with TFL do not prove a stacked box at all. And their LBs only had 2 total TFL.


quote:

FSU's top 5 leading tacklers were mostly defensive backs with a linebacker or two.
LSU completed 22 passes, Daniels had 15 runs, with quite a few going pass the 1st level.

LSU RBs had 12 carries

So yea, of course DBs will have a lot of tackles, they were tackling WRs.
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted by nickbear
Member since Nov 2014
195 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:21 pm to
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They did the same thing Arky did last season


After Arky figured out how to shutdown JD, ATM, Georgia and FSU in the second half followed the blueprint and did it successfully. It will be tried by any SEC team that has the matching talent level.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48587 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:24 pm to
It’s too many plays for a game manager type QB. I don’t blame the QB, if that’s who the coach wants out there you have to call the game accordingly.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53491 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:25 pm to
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1 DB had 0.5 TFL. And LBs with TFL do not prove a stacked box at all. And their LBs only had 2 total TFL.


They weren't stacking the box, they were just coming down as soon as the ball was snapped.

It was pointed out at least twice during the broadcast, including right before halftime (when JD5 couldn't get the ball to Nabers).

Again, I'm not sure what you were watching.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111300 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:26 pm to
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They weren't stacking the box, they were just coming down as soon as the ball was snapped
Then that doesn't explain 1 YPC outside of the 1 big run.

If this were the case, the RB would be met farther down field than the LOS.




Fact is, DL kept winning matchups and either meeting or allowing the LB to come in and meet the RB at the LOS.
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53491 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:31 pm to
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Then that doesn't explain 1 YPC outside of the 1 big run.

If this were the case, the RB would be met farther down field than the LOS.




Fact is, DL kept winning matchups and either meeting or allowing the LB to come in and meet the RB at the LOS.


Exactly.

The linebackers weren't respecting the passing threat at all so the defensive line and linebackers were just teeing off and rushing the passer or stuffing the run. And a few times, the safeties got involved as well.

JD5 made them pay a few times, a couple of short passes that the receivers got big YAC on and several scrambles where he got out of trouble. Not nearly enough though.
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7665 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:34 pm to
Bruh the safeties were in 2 high all night. Please stop saying this idiotic shite. We got stuffed by there front 7. At times there was only 6 in the box.
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7665 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:36 pm to
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That's a poor excuse. We didn't struggle to run because FSU stacked the box last night, that's where you're wrong. We struggled to run because their Dline dominated our Oline in the run game.


Exactly.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48587 posts
Posted on 9/4/23 at 2:36 pm to
Wrong
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