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re: What's the verdict on the post-Alan Dunn era?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:16 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:16 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
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I don't understand why a healthy Edward's and Colman never really got a shot at pitching
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:22 pm to TDFreak
Its hard to know the full picture just yet. Dunn apparently approached every pitcher the same. So some weren't developed properly, never getting coached up on secondary pitches.
Kelley has been trying to get every pitcher to learn secondary pitches, including off-speed pitches. But he's also giving them individual attention as to what they're good at already. That said, secondary pitches take time to learn those mechanics and how to control. Some will (and have) pick that up quicker than others. That said, overall, our bullpen has been stronger than expected this season. Our starters are lacking a bit, which is a direct reflection of where the previous staff left us. But the bullpen is a little bit more of the current staff and how they're teaching and managing in-game.
Kelley has been trying to get every pitcher to learn secondary pitches, including off-speed pitches. But he's also giving them individual attention as to what they're good at already. That said, secondary pitches take time to learn those mechanics and how to control. Some will (and have) pick that up quicker than others. That said, overall, our bullpen has been stronger than expected this season. Our starters are lacking a bit, which is a direct reflection of where the previous staff left us. But the bullpen is a little bit more of the current staff and how they're teaching and managing in-game.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:34 pm to IM_4_LSU
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He didn't have enough control over those pitches to call it in games. Thats why after about 2 or 3 weeks without seeing Floyd when he came back in the midweek game he said how Kelly was extremely excited about the work Floyd and Kelly had done with developing those secondary pitches.
But this doesn't make a ton of since. He had all of the fall and spring to work on his offspeed pitches and couldn't get it to work. Then after 3 weeks off he figures it out? What were they working on during the offseason?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:35 pm to LSBoosie
Development isn’t linear.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:42 pm to ProjectP2294
I get that. I just don't think they put enough emphasis on it because they didn't need to at the time. You could see it early in the season, there's no reason to be throwing 40 straight fastball against a bad team with a several run lead when you have a pitcher that needs to be working on his secondary pitches.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:30 pm to LSBoosie
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But this doesn't make a ton of since. He had all of the fall and spring to work on his offspeed pitches and couldn't get it to work. Then after 3 weeks off he figures it out? What were they working on during the offseason?
Because development doesn’t always happen on our timing, or any given timing. Sometimes you can work on something for months or years with little to no progress, take some time off, then it just clicks. Other times, things click right away. It’s different for everyone…and even for the same person for different things.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:37 pm to Sir Fury
I know that, but early in the year when we're up 7 against a nobody school, he shouldn't be throwing 40 straight fastballs. That's just my opinion, I'm sure they know better than me.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:57 pm to LSBoosie
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I know that, but early in the year when we're up 7 against a nobody school, he shouldn't be throwing 40 straight fastballs.
I think we’re largely on the same page on this.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:33 pm to LSBoosie
It does make sense when you listen to Floyd and Johnson speak about it. Floyd worked hard in the offseason to get secondary pitches but when the scrimmages came around he couldn't locate the ball for strikes.
So by the time the games came around they were not going to call it in games. But he continued to work on it and eventually started locating it for strikes during a few games. It is still not where it needs to be which is why we didn't see a lot of them called this weekend. He didn't throw these pitches in high school, next year with another full off season and summer league he should have more control and ability with those pitches to be a good Sunday starter.
So by the time the games came around they were not going to call it in games. But he continued to work on it and eventually started locating it for strikes during a few games. It is still not where it needs to be which is why we didn't see a lot of them called this weekend. He didn't throw these pitches in high school, next year with another full off season and summer league he should have more control and ability with those pitches to be a good Sunday starter.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:47 pm to IM_4_LSU
He's always had a curve and change.
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ETA: If you need more proof, it's not hard to find. Same goes for Reyz, Taylor, and Gervase...the other all fast ball guys. Plenty of proof that they don't need to be throwing 99% fastballs.
Perfect Game
Baseball Factory
ETA: If you need more proof, it's not hard to find. Same goes for Reyz, Taylor, and Gervase...the other all fast ball guys. Plenty of proof that they don't need to be throwing 99% fastballs.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:53 pm to DRock88
If he can master that change up it will make his already good fastball play up. With the late life the fastball has, that would be really hard for hitters.
He's got such a smooth motion and seems to be pretty athletic. If he gets all three pitches working on the same day, he can go deep into games. I think that changeup he's been throwing has put him back onto the draft radar a bit. The curveball probably not so much, but it exists and fits in the repertoire, so it's still a positive. I think he could have the opportunity to go pro after this season, if he wants it. Probably wouldn't be a huge offer, so he should be back next season, but he's got future pro stuff.
He's got such a smooth motion and seems to be pretty athletic. If he gets all three pitches working on the same day, he can go deep into games. I think that changeup he's been throwing has put him back onto the draft radar a bit. The curveball probably not so much, but it exists and fits in the repertoire, so it's still a positive. I think he could have the opportunity to go pro after this season, if he wants it. Probably wouldn't be a huge offer, so he should be back next season, but he's got future pro stuff.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:22 pm to LSBoosie
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I know that, but early in the year when we're up 7 against a nobody school, he shouldn't be throwing 40 straight fastballs. That's just my opinion, I'm sure they know better than me
1) Just because it's a fast-moving pitch doesn't mean it's a "fastball".
2. There are multiple types of fastballs (i.e. 2-seam, 4-seam)
3. We don't know what he knew how to throw effective at that time.
4. Yes, they definitely know more than you...and more than I...combined.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:29 pm to Sir Fury
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1) Just because it's a fast-moving pitch doesn't mean it's a "fastball".
2. There are multiple types of fastballs (i.e. 2-seam, 4-seam)
He was definitely throwing two types of fastballs early in the season. The hawkeye system in Minute Maid was categorizing them differently.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:38 pm to therick711
Never a fan is really a strong take, because he did have some amazing staffs.
But lately a fan, nah. He was really bad lately.
But lately a fan, nah. He was really bad lately.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 7:10 pm to Sir Fury
I am familiar with 2 seams and 4 seams. They are both still fastballs. You have to have more than 2 pitches that are both fastballs to pitch at this level. DRock posted videos in this thread of him throwing off speed in high school. I don’t know how effective his off speed was, which is why I wanted him to work on it early in the year against bad teams.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:54 am to DRock88
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I've not been a big fan of the pitch calling.
It doesn’t matter what you call if the Pitcher can’t make consistent pitches. If a Curve Ball is called and the Pitcher hangs it then it wasn’t the call but the pitch itself. LSU does not have top level pitching.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:58 am to geauxtigers33
If you think that then You have not watched Reyzelman, Floyd, or Money this year
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:43 am to geauxtigers33
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The pitching is not average. The starting pitching is terrible but the staff as a whole is deep and talented. It’s just hard to rely on a bullpen for 15-20 innings every weekend. All it takes for one guy to be off like Rayzelman was yesterday and you lose a game.
I agree. The starting pitching is well below average
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:35 pm to therick711
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We had Nola, Lange, and Poche as a rotation with him.
When we went from Nola to Poche and Lange, I was convinced Alan Dunn was a magician.
He later either fell behind the times or just suffered from bad injury luck but after Lange left, it was a struggle.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:44 pm to TDFreak
Well there weren’t any aces to injure or flatten out so…..a positive in my book that he wasn’t here. You would have seen more of Fontenot if he had stayed….you decide. Money likely transfers, Floyd likely see’s more innings….again, you decide. Without knowing who Dunn and coach PM would have recruited there is no way to compare.
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