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re: What's the true significance of a position coach??

Posted on 1/14/24 at 12:45 pm to
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 12:45 pm to
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what is the benefit of having a good DL coach




LSU had 2 all-american DTs (Smith in '21 and Wingo in '22) last season and no coach. How did that work out?
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
2668 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 12:49 pm to
Yes there is a HUGE difference in what they are taught at the college level. And even more so in power 5 conferences. It’s like drinking from a fire hose for many. And should be. Some NEVER fully get it.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27493 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 12:49 pm to
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At the college level, is there actually that much technique you can teach a player, that another coach hasn't taught him?


4 and 5 star players in high school aren't dominating because they are overwhelmingly technically sound, especially in the trenches. They are dominating at that level because of their raw talent or physical attributes.

There is typically a shitton of development at the college level on the lines.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26621 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 2:59 pm to
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Always someone trying to insult you, behind a simple question. Since you're so knowledgeable just answer the question humbly.


This should be common sense. Why in the hell do you not understand that players need to be coached on technique and play within a scheme? I can understand if this was from a newbie to the game, but your account date says 2020.

Come on now...
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 3:08 pm to
I’m a former DB coach, used to coach the LSU and Auburn 4-5 Star Recruiting camps for Coach Saban and Tuberville. I won’t fully disclose my entire identity, but coached at a very high level in La. And coached many D-1 recruits and eventual future NFL players.

Coaching under Saban standing behind me while i ran his drills was an experience I’ll never forget and 90% of my football x’s & o’s was Saban’s defense as we ran it with our teams and I was personally tutored by him & Muschamp back in The day on the whiteboards.

That being said, a solid position coach is more valuable in certain positions than others. Ie. A RB coach in most schemes is the easiest position to coach. Versus an OL coach with each guy having many different responsibilities.

The “Coordinators”, 1 for Offense and 1 for defense in general (sometimes will have co-coordinators, but that only usually happens when theirs a sudden vacancy and then you’ll generally have the WR coach as the passing game guy & OL as the run game coordinator and they work together.

Coordibators are the ones that install their “base schemes- ie. triple option, spread RPO, or defense 4-3, 4-4, nickel, dime, goaline packages etc”, and some position coaches with tenure and respect will sometimes have some influence on certain packages that are more leaning to their position guys. Ie. A DL coach will have more influence on goal-line and short yardage packages sometimes & a Db Coach playing a spread team may have some ideas they can pitch to the coordinator.

Ie. I was a DB coordinator and obviously had more concerns with the passing game, so I could make suggestions as to how do we cover key players. Do we bracket high-low, man-free, cover 2, bail, press & be physical at the line, disguise etc…

But a good position coach is crucial with “technique, alignments, leverage, physicality, footwork, mental pre-snap reads, adjustments when ball is in the air, high-pointing the ball, top-down” etc…

Position coaches are installing drills, coaching technique and a good coach explains this in a way to make things make sense as to why you must do exactly what we are teaching. You watch film with your position group, you educate them how and why the other side of the ball is doing and why they are doing it. You coach your guys to look for clues on the opponents alignment.

Ie. LB’ers & DL may pick up on a specific offensive lineman or RB may guve up the play by his alignment or stance leaving into the hole or having a special stance that gives up the play. Coaches look for that all the time & when you find that, you make a film cut-up to show your guys and then in the game, it’s like having the other teams playbook.

Good position coaches build strong bonds with their guys. Becomes like a father figure or an older brother type of bond.

And when all “individual drills are Finished in practice”, the COORDINATORS will bring the entire defense together for “Teams” and you run thru the next opponents plays using the scout team. Or sometimes you go agusnt your own offense (1 v. 1’s) which is generally In Spring when your working on fundamentals and physicality.

Anyways, hope that wasn’t too long and hope it shed some light on the subject.

I will end on this, being a defensive coach, I TRULY BELIEVE THE NEAT DEFENSES DISGUISE THEIR PACKAGES and mix things up with a 1st half package and then some changes for 2nd half, throw their adjustments off etc… we used to play different coverages for weak and strong, press & bail, pre-snap movement on the DL, secondary. Confuse the QB,

And I wish we’d get a coordinator that would do more disguising, it messes with the QB’s head & causes turnovers. We snapped Evangel’s 64 game winning streak in the superdome doing that, and the Shreveport newspaper read something like “Shock & Awe”, lol

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:30 am to
Post more.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14823 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:51 am to
Does this need to be asked after watching our dline this year?
Posted by Pikes Peak Tiger
Colorado Springs
Member since Jun 2023
3871 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:26 am to
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At the college level, is there actually that much technique you can teach a player, that another coach hasn't taught him


Is this a joke???

The answer is 100% yes. Most HS coaches are not great at teaching technique. And most HS players that are good to play at the D1 level were so much better than the competition in HS that technique didn’t matter. They could just physically dominate.

A good position coach can make a HUGE difference beyond recruiting.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:57 am to
The DB coach can talk to the DBs and get them fired up on the sideline and yell at them and play their favorite rap songs and stuff. Sometimes they come up with cool rewards like a turnover pimp coat or chain.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 8:58 am
Posted by IndianMoundFireworks
Member since Oct 2021
140 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 2:35 pm to
I guess the company you work for only had a CEO and no other management? Everyone else just knows what to do and how to do it? Maybe throw a recruiter in there to bring people in?
Posted by semjase
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Member since May 2014
10886 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:44 pm to
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Yea as a day drinking chode
Yet another Semjase opinion reveals itself to be factual.

The Rant is majority 18 and under geeks, Alcoholics, druggies and Cheerleader Pump Lumps.

How do you have a legitimate conversation about LSU Sports with any of that? You can't.
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