re: What is it with this McMahon patience

Blame woody for botching the firing on why MM didn’t have more of a team that just made the tourny and was primed for a real run if our admin hadn’t done what they did.

I don’t think sanctions as much as lack of NiL and commitment to a winning program is a bigger hindrance to recruiting at LSU

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Kinda wild how the year before Wade took over LSU went 10–21 (2–16 SEC) and he turned it around immediately. We almost forget how good of a coach he was due to the biased fake news media hating him Now our fans are in alignment with those who campaigned for our destruction. Sad.

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I love Wade and wish he was still at LSU. I also understand you cant compare what he walked into and what McMahon walked in to. Again I'd trade McMahon for Wade tomorrow but I'm also not blinded by delusion to think the programs they walked into were similar. Wade walked into a bad program that was in need of a leader. McMahon walked into a program with 2 players with serious injury problems on the brink of sanctions.

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Sanctions wouldn’t stop a one done or kid looking for one year. Everyone knew no punishment was coming year 1

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That's an opinion. LSU doesn't have a history of getting 1 and done guys anyway. The looming sanctions 100% impacted recruiting. And again I love Wade but we were good because he could recruit. He was an average game day coach. And he recruited well because he was paying players. Period. McMahon might not be the answer but he very well could be. Rebuilding a depleted roster with SEC caliber players takes time. College basketball is all about stud 1 and done freshman or experienced guard play. Give McMahon time to have guys in the program a few years. Hell the improvement the team has made since Christmas has been great. Year 3 we need to be in the tourney. Anybody expecting to go from 2 injured players to NCAA tourney in 2 years in today's SEC has unrealistic expectations. We can cite what the team was Wade's last year all you want but McMahon inherited an injury prone Wilkinson and coming off ACL surgery Adam Miller. I can't think of a worse situation to step into.

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LSU will not finish middle of the pack! LSU will lose a minimum of 4 out of the next 5 games after just losing 4 out of the last 5. The trend is not remotely up! If McMahon is a stock, I put a market price SELL order on him. LSU will finish about 10th or 11th in the SEC. That is not middle of the pack.

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So you're going to judge a coach based on your personal prediction of future games, rather than his actual record?

After 9 league games, the only records that could possibly be defined as "middle of the pack" are 4-5 or 5-4. We are 4-5. If we finish anywhere from 8-10 to 10-8 I'd also consider that middle of the pack.

Let's see what happens.

So we’re blaming a lack of talent and also blaming the talented players when they don’t develop into stars? Is there any scenario where McMahon is accountable for anything?

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Wade didn’t have an open season portal.

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Which gave him an advantage as he didn't have to compete against every other school in American for pay for play players.

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So we’re blaming a lack of talent and also blaming the talented players when they don’t develop into stars? Is there any scenario where McMahon is accountable for anything?

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No I'm just pointing out recruiting rankings in basketball don't mean what you think. Again college basketball is about 1 and done guys or experienced guards that have been in a system for a few years. We haven't had a few years yet. Year 3 is tourney or bust. It's not unreasonable to not rush to judgement and give the guy some time to build his program. I know our fans are known for bashing coaches at any turn. Hell Jay Johnson was getting killed on this site non stop. Our fans think you just shite out winners with zero process. Again I'm not even a big McMahon fan but I'm realistic and understand winning isn't easy in the SEC.

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They are 4-5 in league with three of the losses to top 20 teams on the road.

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You didnt mention those wins are against the bottom of the SEC in a very easy front loaded schedule.

None of this is true. McMahon clearly inherited a worse situation, but he’s also taking far more heat (as he should) than either Kelly or Mulkey.

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This was always a 3-4 year rebuild. I'm not convinced McMahan is the right guy. But, I'm more convinced than I was at the end of last year.

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Huh???? With the transfer portal and only 5 players starting, college basketball should never ever be a 3-4 year rebuild if you have a good coach. There are way too many recent examples where it has been done. Teams have gone from near worst to first in conferences in one season, have gone far in the NCAA tourney, etc. Many years ago, your point may have been true...certainly not any more.

I have seen nothing to justify your optimism in McMahon. In a much longer earlier post, I mentioned his recruiting which has been poor to be generous. And also mentioned in that post that getting the equivalent of LOW 4* is not going to cut it IF those ratings are appropriate for those signees. I wasn't expecting much from him and he has not exceeded my expectations. His ceiling is simply a head coach in a mid-level conference like the MAC, CUSA, etc.