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What is Aranda looming for? Zone D?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:33 am
I rewatched last night and I’m not sure at this point I understand our defensive philosophy this year?
Initially I thought Aranda was teaching zone concepts to young guys for the meat of the schedule and to be multiple.
Now though it seriously looks like a true philosophy but it handcuffs are biggest assets in the middle of the defense in Phillips and Queen.
Initially I thought Aranda was teaching zone concepts to young guys for the meat of the schedule and to be multiple.
Now though it seriously looks like a true philosophy but it handcuffs are biggest assets in the middle of the defense in Phillips and Queen.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 8:34 am
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Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:34 am to L S Usetheforce
I don’t understand it either, I also don’t get why we stuck with it for so long.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:35 am to L S Usetheforce
When we rush just 3, we get torched. Klavion needs to be in the qbs jock strap every play for us to be truly successful on D. I don't think it's the players fault. Not necessarily Aranda's either for not developing them. Big linebackers and safetys won't matchup well against 5 receiver sets. We need to get wayyyy more pressure and force mistakes.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:37 am to L S Usetheforce
I think he’s been trying to get this zone defense fully operational for the Alabama game. It’ll never be ready in time.
Tua throws nothing but slants and his WR group takes them to the house. Sure, we can man up and take the slants away, but it’ll open the DBs up to double moves (sluggo routes) and allow for Tua to scramble for big yards with the D running with their backs toward the LOS..
Tua throws nothing but slants and his WR group takes them to the house. Sure, we can man up and take the slants away, but it’ll open the DBs up to double moves (sluggo routes) and allow for Tua to scramble for big yards with the D running with their backs toward the LOS..
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Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:40 am to LSUAlum2001
It’s about Alabama. The deep digs and crossing routes they run can be shut down by zone——if correctly executed. Also takes away the deep balls. Clemson and Georgia both used it well to limit their offense. He wants it operational to mix in 50/50 against them. This is a guess, but you saw a decent example Saturday. Lots of zone in the first half, second half more of a mix with man being used when we brought 5-6 guys.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:41 am to L S Usetheforce
I think he’s trying to emulate what Clemson did vs BAMA in the championship last year. I think they know we can line up in man coverage and shut most teams down. I’m not really sure what’s going on. But I see an effective defense at times, and a really soft defense at times. It’s confusing
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:47 am to L S Usetheforce
Honestly i think it is jsut disrespect
I think we thought we could just keep Ehlinger and Trask in the pocket and they woudl frick up and make bad throws and that would work.
Eventually we needed to dial up the pressure
As to the zone/man
we played a lot of man. a lot
But you can see the issues with that. Van Jefferson on those little timing stop routes was eating up yards vs Stingley. And Stingley is a beast. BUt there isn't much you can do when you're defending a go route and the WR stops and drops to catch a low ball.
Going forward i would look for us to bring pressure more often
I think we thought we could just keep Ehlinger and Trask in the pocket and they woudl frick up and make bad throws and that would work.
Eventually we needed to dial up the pressure
As to the zone/man
we played a lot of man. a lot
But you can see the issues with that. Van Jefferson on those little timing stop routes was eating up yards vs Stingley. And Stingley is a beast. BUt there isn't much you can do when you're defending a go route and the WR stops and drops to catch a low ball.
Going forward i would look for us to bring pressure more often
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:53 am to LSUAlum2001
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allow for Tua to scramble for big yards with the D running with their backs toward the LOS..
This is key. The defense can see Tua scramble when in the zone and come up and make a play.
Man risks giving up big runs.
I’d like to see them mix and disguise it.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:53 am to L S Usetheforce
My take.
Aranda has all the benefits of a high scoring offense. We faced “a real good SEC” defense in Florida and scored 42 points. He doesn’t have to play “lock down” defense to win. He is forcing his players to play plain vanilla stand up D to give them practice, then dials it up just enough in the second half to guarantee the win.
I think instead of setting the dial at 0 for the start of Bama he will start at 5 and max out at 10 in the second half. Woe to the teams on our schedule after Bama!
Now how much of my take is logical and factual or how much is wishful thinking? I can’t tell you. But.
Aranda has all the benefits of a high scoring offense. We faced “a real good SEC” defense in Florida and scored 42 points. He doesn’t have to play “lock down” defense to win. He is forcing his players to play plain vanilla stand up D to give them practice, then dials it up just enough in the second half to guarantee the win.
I think instead of setting the dial at 0 for the start of Bama he will start at 5 and max out at 10 in the second half. Woe to the teams on our schedule after Bama!
Now how much of my take is logical and factual or how much is wishful thinking? I can’t tell you. But.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 8:59 am to L S Usetheforce
Some fans suggest Aranda’s holding back attacking and blitzing the line for the 2nd half, which sounds ludicrous. So what is he waiting on? You call this a strategy?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:00 am to MSG
I see no reason to play zone in obvious passing downs of 10+yards
We also have to work on our dl getting their hands up in those zone concepts because that is still lacking.
We also have to work on our dl getting their hands up in those zone concepts because that is still lacking.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:02 am to L S Usetheforce
His defensive philosophy appears to be the following:
Start by rushing only 3 or 4 and dropping 7 or 8 into coverage.
If you can get consistent push from the front four then the defense has a big chance of taking advantage of offensive mistakes. It forces the QB to be accurate on his throws.
This philosophy also limits big plays by the offense.
The issue in the Florida game Trask was accurate and they were converting third downs as Aranda stayed vanilla.
Aranda had to take more risk in the second half. He did ant it was more effective.
Aranda needs to mix it up a little more. Especially in the red zone when the chance of getting beat deep are low.
Start by rushing only 3 or 4 and dropping 7 or 8 into coverage.
If you can get consistent push from the front four then the defense has a big chance of taking advantage of offensive mistakes. It forces the QB to be accurate on his throws.
This philosophy also limits big plays by the offense.
The issue in the Florida game Trask was accurate and they were converting third downs as Aranda stayed vanilla.
Aranda had to take more risk in the second half. He did ant it was more effective.
Aranda needs to mix it up a little more. Especially in the red zone when the chance of getting beat deep are low.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:28 am to TrueTigerTale
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Some fans suggest Aranda’s holding back attacking and blitzing the line for the 2nd half, which sounds ludicrous. So what is he waiting on? You call this a strategy?
Get to the half without dialing up pressure and the bring the pressure in the 2nd half ... this strategy doesn’t give the opposition a chance to make halftime adjustments.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:46 am to L S Usetheforce
I think we are still trying to put our best players in space and we are testing a few things out. Especially when guys go down, like when Fulton got hurt and Ward came in we switched a few things up to help the younger guys. I think we have the luxury to try these things with an offense that scores like ours. We used to have to get a stop almost every drive in order to win. Now that's not the case.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:56 am to L S Usetheforce
I think he knows he won’t be able to get pressure on Tua before he throws a quick slant, that Tua is going to complete those throws, and he wants extra people in the secondary to prevent those from being long gains.
And he is counting on the defense to make enoug plays to get off the field a few times.
We all watched Clemson beat Bama by allowing them to go down the field and then stop them in the red zone. Aranda watched it too.
They’re going to get yards. Clemson gave up 450 yards but only 16 points. That’s the blueprint.
And he is counting on the defense to make enoug plays to get off the field a few times.
We all watched Clemson beat Bama by allowing them to go down the field and then stop them in the red zone. Aranda watched it too.
They’re going to get yards. Clemson gave up 450 yards but only 16 points. That’s the blueprint.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:56 am to BobBoucher
A tad confusing
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:57 am to tsm225
Well the only thing I can say about the scheme is this: we really should have had 3-4 interceptions and at least one may have been a pick six, and if nothing else, Florida scores 14 LESS points in that game. That’s assuming our O failed to score on any of the four interceptions, which I find hard to believe is the case. The DBs have the yips, they have some bad luck, they have some could would shoulda going on, etc.
This has been a theme the first six games. If things even out the last six games, watch out.
This has been a theme the first six games. If things even out the last six games, watch out.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:00 am to tsm225
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I think we are still trying to put our best players in space and we are testing a few things out.
Testing is over.
Aranda is trying to beat teams with a basic four man rush. It's a very conservative approach and limits big plays on offense. Offenses beat it with QBs making accurate throws and mistake free football.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:08 am to GumboPot
here's why i'm scratching my head. the whole first half, our defense sets in the same position every down. there's no movement at all on the dl, with linebackers, with the secondary. at least shift around and threaten pressure. you are letting them read the defense very easily and call plays against it. I just can't wrap my mind around that.
I do understand one thing - we have one sr. at corner and the rest are freshmen, even though Stingley doesn't play like it. we are playing freshmen in the secondary as well. that's for sure a handicap in varying things up too much. but it's also a good reason we need pressure.
I do understand one thing - we have one sr. at corner and the rest are freshmen, even though Stingley doesn't play like it. we are playing freshmen in the secondary as well. that's for sure a handicap in varying things up too much. but it's also a good reason we need pressure.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:08 am to Gaspergou202
quote:why start out at 5? Bring it all right out of the gate. What's the advantage of starting small -- we'll give up points.
I think instead of setting the dial at 0 for the start of Bama he will start at 5 and max out at 10 in the second half.
Bring the house from the first play and don't stop til the end.
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