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re: We Don’t Know How to Handle PM’s Legacy
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
Paul Mainieri had a great run here. He has generated some complicated feelings because of few things that happened here. His flirtation with Texas rubbed fans the wrong way. His comments postmortem on the relative struggles during the 2010 and 2011 seasons. His period hiring underqualified coaches.
I think for me, I am proud of what he accomplished here. Everyone has a complicated history with what they do. I also think that at the end of his tenure, his personal losses and his injury made it difficult for him to sustain the energy level needed at LSU. It was heartwarming to see him make a run in 2021 as a last hurrah. I was surprised to see him flirt with Miami. I was equally surprised to see Miami go another direction (I have no idea if it was because Paul pulled out of consideration or not). As time melts away, I'll remember the amazing winning streak, the 2009 title, and the six straight national seeds. The other stuff will likely be left to the dustbin of history.
I think for me, I am proud of what he accomplished here. Everyone has a complicated history with what they do. I also think that at the end of his tenure, his personal losses and his injury made it difficult for him to sustain the energy level needed at LSU. It was heartwarming to see him make a run in 2021 as a last hurrah. I was surprised to see him flirt with Miami. I was equally surprised to see Miami go another direction (I have no idea if it was because Paul pulled out of consideration or not). As time melts away, I'll remember the amazing winning streak, the 2009 title, and the six straight national seeds. The other stuff will likely be left to the dustbin of history.
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:33 pm to Coldcushcush
It is really simple.
Don’t compare Skip to Paul and Paul to Jay.
There is a Chasm in changes between the equipment, rules, resources, etc.
BBCOR and ball changes happened to Paul as well as the changes to Omaha that he had to transition teams through.
Paul is a HOF coach that won every single stop along the way. He brought LSU Baseball back and if not for Walker’s injury likely has 2 titles.
He did leave LSU with deficiencies in pitching, which ultimately, cost him (remember no lefties?)
Don’t compare Skip to Paul and Paul to Jay.
There is a Chasm in changes between the equipment, rules, resources, etc.
BBCOR and ball changes happened to Paul as well as the changes to Omaha that he had to transition teams through.
Paul is a HOF coach that won every single stop along the way. He brought LSU Baseball back and if not for Walker’s injury likely has 2 titles.
He did leave LSU with deficiencies in pitching, which ultimately, cost him (remember no lefties?)
Posted on 6/29/23 at 12:43 pm to SammyTiger
I think it okay to get frustrated with how Paul ended at LSU, but that’s really it where it should stop. He recruited well, went to Omaha, played for two (2) championships, won a championship, etc. He just ran out of steam after a long coaching career. He is still engaged with the school and coaches.
It’s a nice, aligned legacy for LSU if fans choose for it to be.
It’s a nice, aligned legacy for LSU if fans choose for it to be.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:05 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:That style that was dictated by equipment and CWS venue changes? Had NCAA not adjusted to bring homers back into college baseball you might not see very much difference.
I was not a big fan of Paul’s style of offense,
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:11 pm to SammyTiger
WTF is there to handle?
He was a long time coach, with an overall great record at LSU. He won a CHIP and coached for 2. Did great early, and faded late. He did not leave in disgrace, but it was time to go, This is a tough grading curve.
Treat him, and his record with respect.
He was a long time coach, with an overall great record at LSU. He won a CHIP and coached for 2. Did great early, and faded late. He did not leave in disgrace, but it was time to go, This is a tough grading curve.
Treat him, and his record with respect.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 1:19 pm to SammyTiger
There’s nothing wrong with Paul’s legacy or career at LSU. He had 4 really great seasons and made Omaha even more times than that, but only got 1 title. 99% of schools would kill for that resume.
He wasn’t as good at the end. Neither was Drew Brees. But both had HoF careers.
I don’t understand anyone who thinks they have to take sides. It’s not like you have to shite on PM to support JJ. JJ and PM have a good relationship.
He wasn’t as good at the end. Neither was Drew Brees. But both had HoF careers.
I don’t understand anyone who thinks they have to take sides. It’s not like you have to shite on PM to support JJ. JJ and PM have a good relationship.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:03 pm to SammyTiger
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I think JJ is. better coach than Paul was at the end, but Paul is a HOF coach.
I think JJ is a better manager of the program. I think the coach part in baseball is overrated bc these kids really know how to play when they get here. The most important part is assembling the roster. JJ has done an incredible job of that. At the end of Paul’s career here I just don’t think he had the energy to recruit anymore. That part I’m sure takes a ton out of a person and Paul was starting to get of the age where he needed to make quality of life choices
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:12 pm to STEVED00
i’m gonna seriously disagree with you.
most of these guys are still developing their swing how they approach at bats. that doesn’t stop when you get to college.
JJ is a great hitting coach. What’s his saying? it’s a line drive or it’s a walk.
most of these guys are still developing their swing how they approach at bats. that doesn’t stop when you get to college.
JJ is a great hitting coach. What’s his saying? it’s a line drive or it’s a walk.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 2:34 pm to SammyTiger
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i’m gonna seriously disagree with you. most of these guys are still developing their swing how they approach at bats. that doesn’t stop when you get to college.
Obviously players continue to get better but players are already pretty skilled when they get there. The biggest responsibility of the head coach is evaluating talent and getting that talent on board.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:27 pm to lsu711
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Paul retired. he’s Happy, he had a great career.
The great career I would agree with. I question the happy part, I think the 2017 loss to Florida in the championship haunts him to this day like Jay Johnson’s loss to Coastal in the finals has been haunting him.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:33 pm to SammyTiger
I think it’s hard to compare any coaches that have retired in the last 3-4 years vs coaches now in any sport, simply because of NIL. Doesn’t mean that JJ isn’t a better coach, but what would CPM have been able to do with the ability to work the portal? It’s overall just a different world these days.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:36 pm to SammyTiger
Skip, Smoke, Paul and Jay.
One of these is not like the others, and it ain't Paul.
One of these is not like the others, and it ain't Paul.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:31 pm to JimTiger72
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Both coaches underperformed with the talent they had imo
Winning one National Championship in 14 years is not underperforming, with any roster of talent that has ever been assembled anywhere in college baseball. Coaches who win a championship, make several trips to Omaha, and regularly advance to Super-Regionals, are not underperforming. The guys like Skip and handful of others who achieve more are OVERperforming. That's why Skip's jersey is retired, and there's a statue of him, and he's the GOAT. That's why guys like Auggie and Dedeaux are legends. Guys who get to the very top even once are doing a great job and are among the elite in the sport. Guys who do it repeatedly are singular category people. To compare it to football, there are no guys "like Saban" or "like Tom Osborne" or "like the Bear" or "like Rockney", etc. There are great coaches; Paul Manieri was one of them. Then there are the handful of singularly elite coaches that defy categorization; Skip was one of them. Jay Johnson appears a lock to be at least a great one. Hopefully, he can ascend even higher.
But even if he doesn't, and even if we'd lost in Omaha, he would not be "underperforming". At worst, he might have "failed to overperform". Thankfully, he didn't fail at all.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:46 pm to Broski
What a dummy lol
Posted on 6/29/23 at 5:21 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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I hope some of you bitches aren’t this petty in your day to day life.
If they had a life, they would not be on here bitching.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 5:58 pm to Coldcushcush
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but won ONLY one nattie
Hardest Era of college baseball for a school like LSU had been to win in. There's much more parity now then there was, and the changes to bats, balls, and the stadium in Omaha almost made it impossible for quite a few years for a team like LSU to win. I think Paul would've been more successful in the Era we're in now.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:13 pm to SammyTiger
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JJ is a great hitting coach.
And Paul FAR exceeded Jay in defense. Skip exceeded both of them with pitching, with the exception on how he managed Ben.
BBCOR is NOT the same BBCOR. The balls are different as well. Make no mistake about that. These guys aren’t suddenly “better / stronger” point no further than Jones, Jones, Deichman, Mitchell, Big Country DJ,, and the many physically strong players with exceptional bat speed Paul had throughout his tenure. Crews, Beloso as well. It is the EQUIPMENT including bats.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:53 pm to Tiger1988
Have not read thread. The bottom line is this.
PM = underachiever.
LM = underachiever.
I wish we would quit talking about them.
PM = underachiever.
LM = underachiever.
I wish we would quit talking about them.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:14 pm to King Joey
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Winning one National Championship in 14 years is not underperforming, with any roster of talent that has ever been assembled anywhere in college baseball.
If JJ never wins another championship, people will say he underperformed here.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:15 pm to SammyTiger
Paul is a great coach
Skip is a legend
I hope JJ becomes a legend
Skip is a legend
I hope JJ becomes a legend
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