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Macavity92
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Jimbob won that title, but he didn't stay at or near the top thereafter


Jimbo’s rankings at FSU (AP)

2012 10
2013. 1
2014. 5
2015. 14
2016. 8
2017 unranked

How many coaches had that run, exactly? In 6 years he had 4 top 10s and a national championship.

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We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees


There are never guarantees, just probabilities. When hiring you go with the coach that gives the best chance of success. And, of the coaches we could have hired that would have given us the best chance of success, O wasn’t even in the top 30. He still isn’t.



GeauxTigerTM
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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There are never guarantees, just probabilities. When hiring you go with the coach that gives the best chance of success. And, of the coaches we could have hired that would have given us the best chance of success, O wasn’t even in the top 30. He still isn’t.




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jgriffith
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Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Not many, but the fact is jimbo did let it slip a bit too much. Could he really keep LSU at the top - year in and year out? We don't know. jimbo and his agent sexton were whoring for saban type money, and lsu said no. I put that on f king alexander and the board. And yes, of course jimbo is light years better than O.
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nvasil1
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Member since Oct 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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GeauxTigerTM

You're on a roll, man. I've upvoted every one of your posts.

I've said it before, Alleva could have blindly thrown a dart at a list of 50 coaches and hit someone with a more robust resume before Orgeron was a consideration. All the teeth-gnashing and sky-screaming from his devoted supporters doesn't change that.

Like you touched on earlier, if all things were equal and Orgeron had grown up in Boise, the endless spin and excuses for his record would be non-existent.


BayouBengals18
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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nd no, interesting you brought it up, though, I know going into a dealer pretty much what that dealer paid for the vehicle and what he has in the vehicle after prep costs, if any to speak of. Granted, I'm fortunate that I have a dear friend who is a dealer, so he provides me with the LOAN value on the unit, an average of what other dealers across the country have paid for similar units, and his best hunch at what this particular dealer paid for the unit.


It was sarcasm on my part, which it seems like you caught. I’ve seen a lot of your posts on here, and we seem to agree on a lot of things when it comes to O and LSU football, so I’m definitely not coming at you maliciously.

ETA: Wanna hook me up with that dealer friend of yours? I’ll be looking to buy a new truck at the beginning of 2019. Lol
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BayouBengals18
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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but the fact is jimbo did let it slip a bit too much.


After I just posted that I agree with you a lot..... One year, when he lost his starting QB in the opening game, and was fed up with the admin at FSU. Jimbo is up there with Urban and Dabo, right behind Saban.


GeauxTigerTM
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Member since Sep 2006
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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You're on a roll, man. I've upvoted every one of your posts.


Slow day, man...too much time to waste here today I'm afraid.

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I've said it before, Alleva could have blindly thrown a dart at a list of 50 coaches and hit someone with a more robust resume before Orgeron was a consideration.


If all you did was eliminate any coach with a sub .500% coaching record this is actually 100% accurate. There would have been better or worse outcomes, but all statistically would have made better hires than what we ended up with even if you allowed a monkey throwing his own shite to pick our next coach off a list list above.

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Like you touched on earlier, if all things were equal and Orgeron had grown up in Boise, the endless spin and excuses for his record would be non-existent.


It's funny to even have to address this, isn't it? The idea that ANY LSU fan would have accepted the hiring of a man whose career head coaching record was 10-25 is almost too crazy to imagine. And at the same time, you've got guys suggesting that it would have been impossible to sell the fan base on some random guy with a fairly good record but a guy who was not a sexy hire...all the while forgetting that a majority of our fan base writhed in ecstasy when we hired the current assclown and his 10 wins as a head coach.


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jgriffith
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Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Yes Siree!


Sure thing, I really learned a lot. I can get "the goods" from him any time. Trucks are very interesting, both new and used. I'll be able to give you a very good breakdown of whats really going on. Most of it you probably already know, i.e. with new trucks, the dealer "holdback" is interesting. A big dealer some times will go below invoice and fairly deep into "holdback" just to keep you from buying that same new truck from a small dealer. As for used, especially used trucks, they really wanna give you a thorough f___ing! I mean a violent cornholing! Yep, I'll be here......God willing.
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Goldrush25
Washington Fan
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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How can you possibly predict Aranda to be a quality head coach when he has never done it


Because there are certain qualities that great HCs of the past had that he demonstrates.

That's the best you can do, pick the guys with the character traits seen in other winners. Either he succeeds or he doesn't.

Some coaches are game changers. Other coahes are there when the game is changing. There's a difference.
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jgriffith
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Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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One year, when he lost his starting QB in the opening game, and was fed up with the admin at FSU. Jimbo is up there with Urban and Dabo, right behind Saban.


Ok, well, I reckon I have been a bit hard on jimbo. I sometimes hold him to a higher standard - Saban - and that is not fair. Unfortunately Saban is way, way up there in the sky. Urban and Dabo seem very close (2 and 2a). Jimbo is 3 but not too far behind Urban and Dabo I reckon. I know I'm splitting hairs.
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BayouBengals18
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Where is he located? I live right outside Nola, but have been looking at Houston because the prices are better. I also work for a company that gets the X plan pricing for Ford.


BayouBengals18
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Member since Jan 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Urban and Dabo seem very close (2 and 2a). Jimbo is 3 but not too far behind Urban and Dabo I reckon. I know I'm splitting hairs.


Well, they all have titles, and two of them have beaten Saban to get there. I honestly think Jimbo will be competing with Saban within 3 years, if NS is still around.


jgriffith
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Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
811 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
He's in St Francisville. He has Chevrolet and GMC. He's been at it for over 30 years. He also opened a new dealership Crysler Dodge Jeep about 5 years ago. He marks up his used up to $1,000 over retail value. Dude's a businessman trying to make every cent he can, so that's typical. But he absolutely steals them f___ers on trade-in. I remember he was selling a 3/4 ton truck that was 2 years old with 40,000 miles. He had it listed at like $800 over retail. He had obtained that f___er for like $3,000 UNDER the LOAN value! So he had about a $10,000 spread on that bad boy. After the "dealing" with the customer, he still made about $6,000 on that one.

He can help me "break down" Ford Trucks too if they are your favorite.
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jgriffith
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Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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I honestly think Jimbo will be competing with Saban within 3 years, if NS is still around.


Talk about a slap in LSU's face.


BayouBengals18
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Member since Jan 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Ford’s aren’t really my favorite. I drive one for work, because that’s what was given to me, but I’d rather Chevy/GMC. Only reason I’m looking into F150’s is because of the discount I qualify for. F150 and Sierra/Silverado are both quality truck, it will probably come down to which one is better suited(read as bigger rear seat) for my family, which Ford seems to win.


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BayouBengals18
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Member since Jan 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Talk about a slap in LSU's face.


I have a feeling that LSU fans will never forgive Alleva for going against the board’s wishes with this one.


jgriffith
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Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
811 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Was the board willing to pay the money jimbo was asking for? I was told the board and f king alexander were not, but my guy could've been wrong. I mean I can't substantiate it. Granted, his info. has always been right on target. Not to mention this is typical of f king.
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LSU GrandDad
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Member since Jun 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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I hope he succeeds so i can stop reading every morning about coach fricking O


ah, if it were just that simple. there are those that hate O (for various reasons) and would never be happy with him unless he won every game and then they would bitch about how he won it.

no, the hate LSU fans express for their current football coach is permanent. at least some fans and most of them can read and post.


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BayouBengals18
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Member since Jan 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Was the board willing to pay the money jimbo was asking for? I was told the board and f king alexander were not


The money, yes. The years? 10? Don’t know, because Alleva pulled the offer when Sexton tried to negotiate.


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Fat Bastard
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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I'm not sure how delusional you have to be to think that Orgeron has even a remote chance of success. He's making all the same mistakes he made at Ole Miss. He's hiring based on who he thinks is least threatening. He's got a propaganda department working full time. Recruiting is worse than under Miles. He's making coaching decisions based on public opinion. He's as thin-skinned as ever. It's going to be bad.




i cannot disagree


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