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GeauxTigerTM
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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LSU should be above rummaging the bargain bin for a coach.


I swear I'm taking crazy pills having to try and find analogies for this so that dumb-as-post LSU fans can grasp just how silly this mindset is.

It's like saying you can't get a table at 2 different 3 star Michelin restaurants so you may as well go to Outback. I'm mean...MAYBE there are a few alternatives between the best of the best and a menu with a fricking Blooming Onion on it?


00 Tech Grad
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Kennesaw, GA
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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so you may as well go to Outback


More like McDonalds. Yeah, it’s that bad.


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nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
This is not that complicated:
Your feeling of desperation arises out of having O as a head coach.
Had we hired an elite coach your emotions going into the season might have been quite different. You might feel "confident", for example.


GeauxTigerTM
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Member since Sep 2006
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Had we hired an elite coach your emotions going into the season might have been quite different.


Oh...be we didn't even need to hire an "elite" coach. there are only a very small handful of coaches at any level that nearly everyone can agree are "elite" right?

So...while we may have all loved a hire most considered elite or at least "sexy" at the end of the day we'd have all been better served by a hire that was arguable to be at least "competent."

When you hire a guy with a 10-25 career head coaching record, you really don't need to have hired an elite coach to have made a significantly more likely to succeed hire.


IM_4_LSU
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Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Someone with a head coaching winning percentage above .500 would have been a start.


Too much to ask for from Joe Alleva.


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nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
7023 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Agree.
But LSU was in a position to hire the best (or one of the best) HC candidates available in the country.To set our sights only on one that is adjudged "competent" would to be too low of a bar, yet we may have failed even that.


jgriffith
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Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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There are no excuses now. None of this "but we're a young team, so and so is inexperienced, it's only his first year..... blah blah blah" none of that is going to fly.


Absolutely right, la_birdman, he has to get it done NOW.


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GeauxTigerTM
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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But LSU was in a position to hire the best (or one of the best) HC candidates available in the country.


100%. LSU was in as good a position as it's ever been in terms of it's ability to attract an "elite" head coach. Money, prestige, recruiting fields, etc. Despite the fact that our program was seen to have leveled out over the past few seasons, it is still only a handful of seasons removed from the National Championship game and a few from winning it all. In fact, this mindset was EXACTLY what we were sold when they announced the Orgeron hire, right? That we were THIIIIIIIIIS close and all we needed was a new HC.

The only obstacle would have been triangulating the best names on the board with who was legitimately available. Truth is, some years are better than others in this regards depending on who's available, etc.

But there were a solid group of coaches that would have been nearly universally accepted as home run hires who WERE gettable had LSU made even the slightest attempt to land them.

Instead, we opted for Ed Orgeron and his career HC record of 10-25 in our own division of our very own conference.

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To set our sights only on one that is adjudged "competent" would to be too low of a bar, yet we may have failed even that.


Oh, don't misunderstand my point. I'm not suggesting that in November of 2015 we should have been targeting coaches in the mediocre "competent" level. Just that given we hired an abject failure, competent would have ended up being a likely significant upgrade from what we ended up with.


jgriffith
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Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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If Orgeron fails we will be taking a hopefull up and comer second tier coach like Saban was or Miles was or an assistant So get over yourselves.


Yes, we would likely turn to Aranda and pray like heck he can be a great head coach. He certainly has all the makings of one. The guy is brilliant and extremely organized just to name a couple.


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jgriffith
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Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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You're asking the wrong questions. The question isn't who is a guarantee, but why in the frick did alleva hire a guy who, quite literally, averaged one (1) SEC win per year in his previous SEC head coaching job. The guy had 3 SEC wins in 3 seasons. And he replaced a natl champ coach.


Yep, your point cannot be disputed. The Canada ouster followed with the promotion of Ensminger will tell the tale. Retaining Aranda was huge, but this Ensminger thing looks like a ginormous mistake as he has not been a full time QB Coach and/or OC in many years. The hope is he will shock us all.
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jgriffith
LSU Fan
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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This is not that complicated: Your feeling of desperation arises out of having O as a head coach. Had we hired an elite coach your emotions going into the season might have been quite different. You might feel "confident", for example.


without question, nitwit


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SaintLSU
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Gretna
Member since Apr 2007
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
How can you possibly predict Aranda to be a quality head coach when he has never done it


BayouBengals18
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Belle Chasse
Member since Jan 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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there were a solid group of coaches that would have been nearly universally accepted as home run hires who WERE gettable had LSU made even the slightest attempt to land them.


Exactly. I remember during the A&M game, when ESPN announced we were hiring Herman the following morning, the announcers for the game had a discussion on this. Their opinion(and likely the truth given any AD besides Alleva making the hire) was that there were only a handful of coaches that wouldn’t AT LEAST consider LSU. Saban, Meyer, Dabo, Peterson, Harbaugh, and maybe 1 or 2 other coaches. Nearly any other coach would have at least had discussions with LSU.


jgriffith
LSU Fan
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
1615 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Agree, strongly! That is really my main point. I'm not sure where the heck you could turn. You'd just about have to roll the dice a bit.


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BayouBengals18
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Belle Chasse
Member since Jan 2009
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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ow can you possibly predict O to be a quality head coach when he has never done it


See how that works?


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jcb236
LSU Fan
Cut Off, LA
Member since Feb 2010
527 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I hope he succeeds so i can stop reading every morning about coach fricking O
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Easily the best comment yet.


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jgriffith
LSU Fan
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
1615 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Exactly. I remember during the A&M game, when ESPN announced we were hiring Herman the following morning, the announcers for the game had a discussion on this. Their opinion(and likely the truth given any AD besides Alleva making the hire) was that there were only a handful of coaches that wouldn’t AT LEAST consider LSU. Saban, Meyer, Dabo, Peterson, Harbaugh, and maybe 1 or 2 other coaches. Nearly any other coach would have at least had discussions with LSU.


Ok, fine, but who would you go for? Who could come in and be the guy that goes toe to toe for the west (and the playoff) EVERY season? I cannot identify this person.
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WackyChris
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Da Parish, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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But I do have to give O credit for getting Burrow.


It was between us and Cincinnati...a child could’ve convinced Burrow that LSU was the better choice.


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GeauxTigerTM
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2006
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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How can you possibly predict Aranda to be a quality head coach when he has never done it


Past examples of well respected coordinators who have made the jump to HC leads one to believe he could likely do the same.

There's a reason programs, both college and pro look for quality available head coaches AND quality coordinators. If there was not a record of success when hiring guys who had only been coordinators, literally no one would do it, least of all NFL teams where money is the only object.

There is no guarantee, mind you, but if you're forcing me to choose between a guy that is considered to be one of the finest young minds in football who has succeeded as a coordinator at two different stops and a guy who has never been a coordinator but who in his only full time head coaching gig ran a program further into the ditch than they had ever gone before, I'm going with the former 10 out of 10 times.


jgriffith
LSU Fan
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
1615 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Yep, Aranda would have to be the guy, no doubt.


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