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jgriffith
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We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Herman was the hot name, meanwhile he was losing games that he wasn't supposed to lose. Will he be a GREAT head coach? We don't know. Jimbob won that title, but he didn't stay at or near the top thereafter, yet that whore wanted a salary close to that of Saban. Is Jimbo really a GREAT coach? He's very good, but we don't know if he can consistently be in the hunt for SEC Titles. But who the hell can!? The loss to Troy absolutely crushed us. I get that. I turned on O just as everyone else did. But we really need O to get this done. If he fails, I guess we would make Aranda the head coach. Is he a guarantee? Of course not. He's as bright a guy as you'll ever see and is the best DC in the country, but we do not KNOW if he would be a GREAT HEAD coach. But I ask again, who the hell else could you get that would be about as close to a guarantee as possible? I'm not sure that guy exists.


BananaHammock
Georgia Fan
Californication
Member since Aug 2011
10443 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Someone with a head coaching winning percentage above .500 would have been a start.


jgriffith
LSU Fan
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
1134 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I agree. But now we just need him and Aranda and Ensfinger to get this done.


la_birdman
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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we just need him and Aranda and Ensfinger to get this done.



He's hired all these coaches and made all these moves in the off season.

I still think he should've had an actual search for someone who's been an OC in the last 10 years, nothing against Ensminger.


But I do have to give O credit for getting Burrow. I really thought there was no chance of that happening.


There are no excuses now. None of this "but we're a young team, so and so is inexperienced, it's only his first year..... blah blah blah" none of that is going to fly.



This is his make or break year IMO. I'll be the first in line to give him credit if he does so.






ForeverEllisHugh
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Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
We had a coach with a stellar winning percentage, 2 SEC championships, a BCS, and an undefeated season that missed getting a BCS only through a diabolical combination of chance and corruption.

So naturally we fired him.


rbdallas
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Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
8100 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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We had a coach with a stellar winning percentage, 2 SEC championships, a BCS, and an undefeated season that missed getting a BCS only through a diabolical combination of chance and corruption.


what the hell are you on ?

diabolical combination of chance and corruption ?


more like arrogance and stubbornness


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PenguinPubes
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I hope he succeeds so i can stop reading every morning about coach fricking O


mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
182 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
So a random selection of a head coach who has never taken over a down program or a second tier program. None of the top tier winning power five conference head coaches are coming here. If Orgeron fails we will be taking a hopefull up and comer second tier coach like Saban was or Miles was or an assistant So get over yourselves.


TigerLunatik
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Member since Jan 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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second tier coach like Saban was or Miles was 

Bruh, if those guys were second tier coaches, what the hell tier was Orgeron? 15th? I mean, he's already been objectively ranked outside the top 50.
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None of the top tier winning power five conference head coaches are coming here. 

Damn. You don't think very highly of the LSU football program, do you?


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TigerDat
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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So a random selection of a head coach who has never taken over a down program or a second tier program. None of the top tier winning power five conference head coaches are coming here. If Orgeron fails we will be taking a hopefull up and comer second tier coach like Saban was or Miles was or an assistant So get over yourselves



I'd rather the up and come, than the proven loser. I mean those up and comes we took a chance on turned out pretty decent.


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lsu1919
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Member since May 2017
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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But I ask again, who the hell else could you get that would be about as close to a guarantee as possible?


You're asking the wrong questions.

The question isn't who is a guarantee, but why in the frick did alleva hire a guy who, quite literally, averaged one (1) SEC win per year in his previous SEC head coaching job.

The guy had 3 SEC wins in 3 seasons. And he replaced a natl champ coach.
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tom
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Member since Jun 2007
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I'm not sure how delusional you have to be to think that Orgeron has even a remote chance of success. He's making all the same mistakes he made at Ole Miss. He's hiring based on who he thinks is least threatening. He's got a propaganda department working full time. Recruiting is worse than under Miles. He's making coaching decisions based on public opinion. He's as thin-skinned as ever. It's going to be bad.


TigerLunatik
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I'm certainly critical as anyone of O, but I in no way will say he cannot have success. He absolutely can if these new hires are able to put this talented team in position to win.


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airfernando
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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an undefeated season
wrong. got to win the championship to be undefeated. Miles won bc of Jimbo Fisher and easy pickings in super fertile recruiting ground.


TigerLunatik
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Member since Jan 2005
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
Well, is was an undefeated regular season which is what I believe was said and Jimbo Fisher had been long gone by then.


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LSUTIGERS2018
LSU Fan
Member since May 2018
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I wholeheartedly agree. LSU couyldn't afford to hire Fisher. With his salary, buyout, and Mile's buyout it would have cost $30 million. Now Fisher isn't leaving Tx A&M, Saban isnt leaving Bama, Meyer isn't leaving OSU, Dabo isn't leaving Clemson, so if Coach O was to be fired then what other top coach with a NC would leave their program to come here? Lets support our Coach, program, and players. Now is the time to get behind this team.


00 Tech Grad
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Kennesaw, GA
Member since Nov 2009
3066 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
I always laugh at this argument.

“The top 10 ranked coaches aren’t coming here, so we should support the hire of the 117th ranked coach.”


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GeauxTigerTM
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Member since Sep 2006
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re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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But I ask again, who the hell else could you get that would be about as close to a guarantee as possible? I'm not sure that guy exists.


I swear I need to just copy this into a fricking word document and paste it every time this stupid crap gets posted here.

Head Coach Hiring 101

- Get a giant fricking white board and number it from 1-100.

- Start writing down names at #1 of the best coaches alive currently coaching, whether or not they would be legit candidates or not. This is merely to assess who's the best of the best.

- Somewhere between Saban/Belechick and #100 you will run into a guy with a solid pedigree as either a head coach at a major program/smaller program who is looking for a bigger payday or step up into a top 10 program, or an up and comer who is looking for the same, or a high profile coordinator who is looking to make that big step into being a head coach. This step is the one people pretend does not exist and is what they are suggesting when they say that there were no legit candidates beyond the two first candidates on the board so why not Orgeron? That's ludicrous! Between Nick Saban and Ed Orgeron and his career winning percentage below .400% there were a metric shite ton of available coaches who, while not guaranteed successes much higher probabilities of success than hiring a proven loser.

And that's all you can ever ask for out of ANY hire...what's the most likely outcome based on past performance. Not, well...maybe we'll get lucky and he'll do for us what he's never shown he could do before...right???

So the real question is...where do you people think Ed Orgeron should have been on that list we started with? That list of all active football coaches at all levels? Can you honestly say with a straight face you can not name 50+ coaches with far better resumes than Ed Orgeron?

If LSU attempted to replace Les Miles and his program best run who himself had replaced Nick Saban who built our modern program with some random a-hole who had coached Ole Miss to a resounding 10-25 (3-21 in the SEC) LSU fans would have ALL burned the god damned AD's office to the ground. But, since he's from LaRose, a huge percentage now pretend that this move made sense and are now stuck having to square the circle that was this abysmal hire.


Goldrush25
Maryland Fan
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
19789 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
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Herman was the hot name, meanwhile he was losing games that he wasn't supposed to lose. Will he be a GREAT head coach? We don't know.


He's recruiting very well. That always helps.

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Is Jimbo really a GREAT coach? He's very good, but we don't know if he can consistently be in the hunt for SEC Titles


Also recruiting very well.

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We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.


This type of thinking is what got us straddled with O in the first place. There are hundreds of coaching candidates out there. None of them are guarantees. That doesn't mean that you can't identify attributes commonly found in great coaches and see what they can do.

LSU should be above rummaging the bargain bin for a coach. This scarcity mindset is for bad programs. When no fewer than 100 D-1 coaches would take this job why do we desperately need a marginal hire to work out?
This post was edited on 6/13 at 10:00 am


Manswers
LSU Fan
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
1926 posts

re: We desperately need O to succeed because there are no guarantees.
If we "desperately" need O to succeed it shows you just how far we have fallen and how much we need a new AD.

We pay our AD a ton of money. His main job at a football school like LSU is to make sure we never "desperately" need someone like Ed O to succeed.

Remember, we were told we were hiring a coach to bring us back to championship-level. Miles' 9 or 10 wins a season wasn't good enough. Now we're "desperate". If that is truly our situation they either failed at their objective or were lying to us. Either way, Alleva needs to be fired and the next guy needs to replace O.

Yes, Aranda might be that guy and yes he would be better.


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