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re: Watched the replay of Troy game without bias
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:55 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:55 am to TigerLunatik
The answer to this response is.....O did not have enough time to acquire the depth (on both sides of the line) that was needed to compete with the likes of Troy.....where were you when all the suspensions and transfers were announced before that game? Must have been under a rock.....
Oh Nevermind.....I forgot that you probably really did know we were playing short handed (with players that had little experience)....you just choose to ignore it because it doesn’t fall in line with your narrative....I get it....you hate O and you would still call for him to get canned even if we won the SEC title game....
Rewatch the 2008 Troy game......it’s on YouTube....
We were down by 30 points in the 3rd quarter.....
We didn’t start making plays until the Troy defense was exhausted in the 4th.....
This strategy is good for Troy.....but it won’t cut it against teams like Bama.....
Get some 5 star linemen....guys that have both the size, strength and intelligence to learn the plays quickly.....
Oh Nevermind.....I forgot that you probably really did know we were playing short handed (with players that had little experience)....you just choose to ignore it because it doesn’t fall in line with your narrative....I get it....you hate O and you would still call for him to get canned even if we won the SEC title game....
Rewatch the 2008 Troy game......it’s on YouTube....
We were down by 30 points in the 3rd quarter.....
We didn’t start making plays until the Troy defense was exhausted in the 4th.....
This strategy is good for Troy.....but it won’t cut it against teams like Bama.....
Get some 5 star linemen....guys that have both the size, strength and intelligence to learn the plays quickly.....
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 11:58 am
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:03 pm to Robbytiger
“ it’s going to take more than one recruiting cycle. “
LSU recruiting was ranked within the top 8 of the nation for at least the last three years prior to Coach O taking over. At least one college football ranking group had LSU ranked as one of the top six teams in the nation last season talent wise. Some of the depth issues people speak to occurred after Coach O took over.
None of this justifies LSU losing at home to a SBC team. The overall talent level on those two teams was as different as night is to day.
Some of these issues have nothing to do with recruiting cycles. It has to do with a coaching staff not having their team prepared to play well enough for us to compete/win with teams we are much more talented than or as talented as.
LSU recruiting was ranked within the top 8 of the nation for at least the last three years prior to Coach O taking over. At least one college football ranking group had LSU ranked as one of the top six teams in the nation last season talent wise. Some of the depth issues people speak to occurred after Coach O took over.
None of this justifies LSU losing at home to a SBC team. The overall talent level on those two teams was as different as night is to day.
Some of these issues have nothing to do with recruiting cycles. It has to do with a coaching staff not having their team prepared to play well enough for us to compete/win with teams we are much more talented than or as talented as.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:03 pm to Robbytiger
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Rewatch the 2008 Troy game......it’s on YouTube....
We were down by 30 points in the 3rd quarter.....
We were?
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I forgot that you probably really did know we were playing short handed
We could have been missing twice as many and it still wouldn't have been an excuse. You know that Troy lost to South Alabama after a bye week, don't you?
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I get it....you hate O and you would still call for him to get canned even if we won the SEC title game....
I knew that was coming. It's the goto for all of the guys like you when Orgeron gets treated like any other coach in the country.
shite, Miles is STILL being condemned foe 2 losses to SEC teams in a season that he won the national championship.
How bout you give some thought to maybe the team wasn't mentally prepared properly to beat Troy. Or, maybe they had trouble adjusting to the new offense that was installed that week that was totally different from the one they had been running since fall camp. Under NO circumstances should LSU have lost that game. That's not hating on Orgeron, it's reality.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:06 pm to TigerLunatik
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Or, maybe they had trouble adjusting to the new offense that was installed that week that was totally different from the one they had been running since fall camp.
Less motion = totally new offense. ETA: What’s the offense’s excuse for being even worse against Moo earlier than this game?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:08 pm to TigerLunatik
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shite, Miles is STILL being condemned foe 2 losses to SEC teams in a season that he won the national championship.
Yea but UK and Arky at home? come on mane!!!!
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:09 pm to RedTigerRulz
Troy at home? Come on, mane!!
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Troy at home? Come on, mane!!
Were we in the NC conversation when we lost to Troy? I didn't think so. You're not looking at the significance of those losses in a broader context.
We had to pin our fking hopes on Pitt beating WV to get there!
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:14 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:it happened and Les raised the trophy. a beautiful sight.
We had to pin our fking hopes on WV beating Pitt to get there!
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:14 pm to The First Cut
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Less motion = totally new offense.
I will let Etling answer that question for you.
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“It was just a normal offense, stuff we kind of did last year,” Etling said. “We did a little bit of the switch back to what we were doing (under Canada) in the second half.”
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Etling called it a “mixture” of Canada’s scheme and the one from last season.
Sounds to me like he's saying they were running plays from the '16 playbook which is from the coach that Orgeron fired.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:16 pm to The First Cut
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What’s the offense’s excuse for being even worse against Moo earlier than this game?
Maybe the fact that Mississippi State was nearly 100 points higher in the talent rankings than Troy? How is that even a question?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:18 pm to TigerLunatik
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The Tigers (3-2) are moving forward with the system Canada spent the last nine months installing — the one with those presnap shifts and motions, the offense Orgeron hired him to operate, the scheme the school is doling out $1.5 million to see.
From the same story....
Change in presnap motion = while new offense ETA:
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Two offenses in one game? Players say the transition wasn’t that difficult, and the changes weren’t that significant. Etling called it a “mixture” of Canada’s scheme and the one from last season.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:19 pm to TigerLunatik
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Maybe the fact that Mississippi State was nearly 100 points higher in the talent rankings than Troy? How is that even a question?
Please don’t make excuses for 13 first downs, 270 yards, and 24:05 TOP
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:21 pm to The First Cut
Yeah, that's AFTER the Troy game, they went back to that. The quote I provided was what they did DURING the Troy game.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:22 pm to TigerLunatik
Read again, no significant changes.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:23 pm to The First Cut
I'm not, but you're comparing playing the defense with the 25th ranked talent to the one with the 116th ranked talent and asking why the offense struggled. There's no comparison in the competition.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:24 pm to TigerLunatik
No you are charging that the offense struggled because a complete new system was install before Troy. The State debacle was prior to Troy and this monumental insignificant offensive change.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:28 pm to The First Cut
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ETA: What’s the offense’s excuse for being even worse against Moo earlier than this game?
Terrible OPI call took away LSU TD less than 3 minutes into the game.
Mentally weak LSU team that was poorly prepped for its SEC opener by head coach can’t recover and completely deflated.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:29 pm to The First Cut
Ok. Let's say for argument's sake that there were no changes made at all. Would you expect the same output vs Troy and MSU?
Of course not, so asking "what do you contribute to the offensive struggles vs State?" when discussing what went wrong vs Troy doesn't make any sense. The quality of competition is monumentally different.
Of course not, so asking "what do you contribute to the offensive struggles vs State?" when discussing what went wrong vs Troy doesn't make any sense. The quality of competition is monumentally different.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:32 pm to RedTigerRulz
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We had to pin our fking hopes on Pitt beating WV to get there!
And Saban had some lucky breaks in 03.
And Auburn had some lucky breaks in 2010
And Alabama had some lucky breaks in 2011, 2012, 2015, and 2017.
National championships usually involve a certain amount of luck, but the team still needs to be good enough to be in a position to take advantage of that luck.
If LSU doesn’t have the body of work it had at the time Pitt upset WVU, they are never in the running to begin with.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:34 pm to The First Cut
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The State debacle was prior to Troy and this monumental insignificant offensive change.
Insignificant? It literally says they ran a "mixture" of two different offenses and couldn't move the ball.
Orgeron also tried that Frankenstein monster crap at Ole Miss and they were atrocious on offense.
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