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re: Watched the replay of Troy game without bias
Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:43 pm to Robbytiger
Posted on 7/24/18 at 7:43 pm to Robbytiger
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Can we also agree that a player can do everything right from a schematic standpoint and a technical standpoint and he can still get beat (on a block or route)
Of course, I don't think anyone would ever argue against that point.
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but if the other player opposite you is simply stronger and faster than you
How many of these individual battles do you honestly think LSU lost vs Troy because the Troy player was bigger, stronger, faster or simply a better football player?
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Posted on 7/24/18 at 8:08 pm to KiwiHead
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Sure, but we've allowed those games to be too close. Those were supposed to be gimme games wherin the starters were sitting on the bench with 10 minutes left in the third quarter. Sooner or later playing to the level of your opponent catches up with you and an opportunistic program takes advantage of that fact like Troy
Good lord, LSU under Les Miles blew out many teams. Those games are just lost in the fray because they were expected.
I doubt his rate of close games with lower ranked teams is much higher than most other coaches with similar career records.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:29 am to dgnx6
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I think people use it as a counter argument.
I definitely agree with you on this. I see the two sides going at it.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:32 am to Dave England
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but I do not see why a missed XP is reason to celebrate
Because we made ours. I'll use your quote.. "they fcking won".
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:32 am to TigerLunatik
Or experienced
They were blowing our defense line off the ball
They were stronger
That’s obvious. Did you watch the game?
Have you ever once considered that a 3 or four year 3 star recruit senior (after hitting the weights for 3 straight years) might be just as strong or even stronger than a true freshmen 5 star player?
They were blowing our defense line off the ball
They were stronger
That’s obvious. Did you watch the game?
Have you ever once considered that a 3 or four year 3 star recruit senior (after hitting the weights for 3 straight years) might be just as strong or even stronger than a true freshmen 5 star player?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:40 am to Robbytiger
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They were blowing our defense line off the ball
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Did you watch the game?
I did and the LSU defense was in no way why LSU lost that game. They only gave up 17 points through 3 quarters. Maybe a few 3rd down conversions or a single point in the first half by the offense would have helped.
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Have you ever once considered that a 3 or four year 3 star recruit senior (after hitting the weights for 3 straight years) might be just as strong or even stronger than a true freshmen 5 star player?
How many freshman played on the LSU defensive line in that game?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:41 am to Goldrush25
The problem with that argument is Les would only blow out the weak teams in the 3rd or 4th quarter....
We were beating them not because we were so much better, but because at the time, we just had too many big bodies on the line....we essentially, wore the other team out because we had more depth...
That why LSU was able to beat Troy back with Les a few years ago...
Troy was better....look at the score in the 3rd....we only had 3 points....
Our depth allowed us to win.....
The Troy game with O—if you were paying attention, we did not have the depth or experience (on either side of the line) to overcome a pretty good Troy team.....
But most of the O haters ignore that logic because it contradicts their narrative.....
We were beating them not because we were so much better, but because at the time, we just had too many big bodies on the line....we essentially, wore the other team out because we had more depth...
That why LSU was able to beat Troy back with Les a few years ago...
Troy was better....look at the score in the 3rd....we only had 3 points....
Our depth allowed us to win.....
The Troy game with O—if you were paying attention, we did not have the depth or experience (on either side of the line) to overcome a pretty good Troy team.....
But most of the O haters ignore that logic because it contradicts their narrative.....
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:44 am to Robbytiger
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We were beating them not because we were so much better, but because at the time, we just had too many big bodies on the line....we essentially, wore the other team out because we had more depth...
That's how he built his team.
That's what a strong defense and a grinding running game does, beats you by wearing you down.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:51 am to Robbytiger
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we did not have the depth or experience (on either side of the line) to overcome a pretty good Troy team
But South Alabama does? Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:51 am to Robbytiger
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But most of the O haters ignore that logic because it contradicts their narrative....
What an idiot. Les is leaps and bounds a better coach than O will ever be. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings. Continue with your excuse making.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:52 am to Goldrush25
So. Never recruit any 5 star linemen....just load up on 3 stars
What a dumb arse strategy....no wonder we never could beat Bama.....
What a dumb arse strategy....no wonder we never could beat Bama.....
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:56 am to Robbytiger
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just load up on 3 stars
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm no recruiting savant. But, isn't that what Orgeron did last year and people said he filled needs?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 10:56 am to TigerLunatik
Yes. It really does make all the sense in the world....
We were literally that weak......how else would you explain our line play when we got our starting linemen back for the Auburn game....
Auburn has a stout defense.....go look at the Bama game....how many points did Bama score on Auburn.....
Not enough to win.......
We were literally that weak......how else would you explain our line play when we got our starting linemen back for the Auburn game....
Auburn has a stout defense.....go look at the Bama game....how many points did Bama score on Auburn.....
Not enough to win.......
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:01 am to TigerLunatik
Yes because 3 star depth allows the 4 or 5 star true freshmen to gain the experience and strength that will be needed later on in the year......
Heck....watch Bama games early on in the year.....
Lots of times, Bama doesn’t really pull away til later on in the game (even with so-called weak competition). It’s good to have some 3 star depth.....but damn. Get a least some 5 and 4 star linemen.....I’m pretty sure O got a few of those too...
Heck....watch Bama games early on in the year.....
Lots of times, Bama doesn’t really pull away til later on in the game (even with so-called weak competition). It’s good to have some 3 star depth.....but damn. Get a least some 5 and 4 star linemen.....I’m pretty sure O got a few of those too...
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:06 am to Robbytiger
Interesting side note....
How come when Bama plays Texas anm early in the year....and they struggle, but eventually pull out the win....the media always plays off the aggies as a pretty strong team and this is an example of how dominant Bama is.....but when LSU plays Texas anm later in the year and we totally dominate them, the media (and fans) play it off as though the Aggies were really just weak.....
Subtle but definitely a Bama bias in my opinion...
How come when Bama plays Texas anm early in the year....and they struggle, but eventually pull out the win....the media always plays off the aggies as a pretty strong team and this is an example of how dominant Bama is.....but when LSU plays Texas anm later in the year and we totally dominate them, the media (and fans) play it off as though the Aggies were really just weak.....
Subtle but definitely a Bama bias in my opinion...
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:12 am to Robbytiger
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Never recruit any 5 star linemen....just load up on 3 stars
What a dumb arse strategy....no wonder we never could beat Bama.....
So, here you say loading up on 3 stars is bad...
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Yes because 3 star depth allows the 4 or 5 star true freshmen to gain the experience and strength that will be needed later on in the year......
But, here you're saying that they are good for depth since it was Orgeron that did in '16.
How does a 3 star freshman allow a 4 or 5 star freshman to gain experience?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:28 am to TigerLunatik
No. I’m saying get some 3 star depth....but not at the expense of getting no 5 or 4 star linemen to anchor your team with....
I’m saying get both....it’s a fine line....
But only loading up on only 3 star linemen is a bad game plan in my opinion
This is why LSU was losing ground on Bama & Georgia.......
But O is working on turning that tide....
It’s going to take more than just one recruiting cycle to achieve this......
I’m saying get both....it’s a fine line....
But only loading up on only 3 star linemen is a bad game plan in my opinion
This is why LSU was losing ground on Bama & Georgia.......
But O is working on turning that tide....
It’s going to take more than just one recruiting cycle to achieve this......
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:31 am to Robbytiger
He seems to be doing a great job recruiting and the transfers seem like they will be great players. I'm all for giving Coach O credit when it's deserved and have on several occasions. But, when it comes to the Troy game, all I'm hearing is excuses. I really don't see Coach O allowing another loss like that any time soon.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:39 am to TigerLunatik
Are you familiar with the concept of young players getting stronger and better as the season goes on?
Rotating a 3 star in the game to compensate for lack of endurance of those 5 star players.....same reason you rotate Williams in after Guice runs a 40 yard play to the 15 yard line.....
Geez. You can’t be this dense....
The young 5 stars are not really ready to go ( from a strength, experience and endurance perspective)...to play a whole game.....rotating in 3 stars allows the 5 star to get up to speed later in the year.....
Also, if that 3 star develops into a 5 star type player....then so much the better......you have a stout line with stout depth & experience.....
Rotating a 3 star in the game to compensate for lack of endurance of those 5 star players.....same reason you rotate Williams in after Guice runs a 40 yard play to the 15 yard line.....
Geez. You can’t be this dense....
The young 5 stars are not really ready to go ( from a strength, experience and endurance perspective)...to play a whole game.....rotating in 3 stars allows the 5 star to get up to speed later in the year.....
Also, if that 3 star develops into a 5 star type player....then so much the better......you have a stout line with stout depth & experience.....
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:43 am to Robbytiger
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rotating in 3 stars allows the 5 star to get up to speed later in the year.....
Even if they're both freshmen? The 5 star playing fewer plays allows them to get up to speed later? So, less playing time to a lesser player allows the better player to get better?
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