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re: Wade isn’t capable of getting BBall to elite level.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:11 pm to alessic7
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:11 pm to alessic7
Wade is probably one of the best recruiters in the country but has too much of a free flowing, NBA style offense with no structure or identity and struggles teaching rotations and fundamentals defensively. As energetic as he is sometimes, he should be throwing his clipboard across the court when we get killed on the glass as much as we do for not putting an arse on someone and blocking out, but it just doesn’t happen.
Edit: I will also say one of the reasons he recruits so well is that style(or lack there of) of offense resonates with recruits because it doesn’t limit NBA talent. As you can see, it’s working very well for Cam Thomas. I had 4 Division 1 players on my class of 2020 AAU team that I had stuck with since 2014 and the kids would prefer this style of play. At that level, it works. Get to a high level college, it only does for the small percentage that will make it to the next level.
Edit: I will also say one of the reasons he recruits so well is that style(or lack there of) of offense resonates with recruits because it doesn’t limit NBA talent. As you can see, it’s working very well for Cam Thomas. I had 4 Division 1 players on my class of 2020 AAU team that I had stuck with since 2014 and the kids would prefer this style of play. At that level, it works. Get to a high level college, it only does for the small percentage that will make it to the next level.
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 11:09 pm
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Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:27 pm to JWill409
You think someone like wade struggles to implement an offensive system like that, or he maybe strategically doesnt want to play it for a specific reason?
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:29 pm to roscoe mike
We need coaches like Roscoe Mike! He needs to get in there and lead our Tigers to elite seasons! I'm so disappointed that he's wasting our chances at success by hiding behind an anonymous name on an internet bulletin board.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:48 pm to josh336
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You think someone like wade struggles to implement an offensive system like that, or he maybe strategically doesnt want to play it for a specific reason?
I think it’s intentional and it’s a big reason why he’s a big recruiter too. A lot of these high school players that play AAU(which is more competitive than high school) is broken. Most of the coaches are worried about winning and less worried about actually bettering the players. If you had a choice at 14 or 15 to run an offense or just go out there and play, what would you pick? That’s the mentality that a lot of these high profile players of this generation come in with. It’s also a reason why the traditional powerhouses of the NCAA are not winning championships. Go look at the last several champions. Other than UNC, who really don’t recruit 1 and done players, you have Villanova and Virginia. Very structured, fundamental programs. Duke hasn’t brought anything home in 7 years, others like Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, etc. even longer.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 11:06 pm to roscoe mike
I mean he bad a team good enough to make a sweet 16 without him even coaching...
You do realize that even “elite” teams drop 2-3 conference games a year. Florida, besides UK and Maybe Arkansas is the toughest place to play on the road in the league.
This is his 4th season and if not for last year being cut short in his 4 seasons we had
NIT
Sweet 16
Likely RD of 32 if last year finished
This year TBH (But likely a third straight NCAAT team)
You do realize that even “elite” teams drop 2-3 conference games a year. Florida, besides UK and Maybe Arkansas is the toughest place to play on the road in the league.
This is his 4th season and if not for last year being cut short in his 4 seasons we had
NIT
Sweet 16
Likely RD of 32 if last year finished
This year TBH (But likely a third straight NCAAT team)
Posted on 1/2/21 at 11:11 pm to WaydownSouth
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You do realize that even “elite” teams drop 2-3 conference games a year. Florida, besides UK and Maybe Arkansas is the toughest place to play on the road in the league
I don’t really think the complaints are coming from the loss as much as they are the actual culture and identity of this team(and all of the previous WW teams).
Posted on 1/2/21 at 11:12 pm to JWill409
You’re right on the money. His offense reminds me of Spoelstra’s offense in Miami. Not a real strategy to it, just depends on your guy’s winning one on one battles. That’s why they are erratic and struggle when they face really good defensive teams. The defense goes without saying, it hasn’t been great since he got to LSU. All what you commented about is the reason I’m doubtful they can win it all in the big dance.
Posted on 1/2/21 at 11:18 pm to JWill409
Texas Tech will be the biggest test of his career.
They are very fundamental, structured, etc. They are like Florida except better. If his style works against Tech, then I don’t buy it can’t be enough to get them to a final 4
They are very fundamental, structured, etc. They are like Florida except better. If his style works against Tech, then I don’t buy it can’t be enough to get them to a final 4
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:42 am to CatfishJohn
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Had his last recruiting class not been railroaded we’d have a big man.
This
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:58 am to WaydownSouth
Win or lose to Texas tech, we have our coach. What he's done in a short period of time speaks for itself. A lot of posters here have a football mentality. Losing one football game is the equivalent to losing 3-4 basketball games in regards to impacting the season. We are more than fine with the general in Baton Rouge. If he's here for 10 years plus, we will have a monster program on our hands-just watch.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:59 am to roscoe mike
Soft defense in the paint. Castleton made us look like a bunch of prima donnas out there.
Terrible defense rebounding....
There are non-analytical guys like Melo or Bernard King or Tim Duncan who will absolutely make you look stupid when you don't respect their short game.
Terrible defense rebounding....
There are non-analytical guys like Melo or Bernard King or Tim Duncan who will absolutely make you look stupid when you don't respect their short game.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:21 am to JWill409
I get the defensive complaints, but complaining because our offense is free flowing and not structured is weird. I couldn't care less what it looks like, what matters is the results. Will Wade's offenses at LSU have consistently been among the most efficient in the country. It produces.
Wade has produced highly efficient offenses while bettering his players. Tremont, Skylar, JaVonte, Emmitt, and Trendon all have shown noticable leaps of improvement each year that they were here. His offensive style seems to work for team results and individual results.
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A lot of these high school players that play AAU(which is more competitive than high school) is broken. Most of the coaches are worried about winning and less worried about actually bettering the players. If you had a choice at 14 or 15 to run an offense or just go out there and play, what would you pick?
Wade has produced highly efficient offenses while bettering his players. Tremont, Skylar, JaVonte, Emmitt, and Trendon all have shown noticable leaps of improvement each year that they were here. His offensive style seems to work for team results and individual results.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:04 am to The Pirate King
quote:you ever criticize O for his mistakes?
Ah, the ole “were better than we were, so we’re not allowed to criticize his coaching” argument.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:09 am to justice
No but he did say if we didn’t fire Aranda last year during the season we’d never win a national championship. And he repeated that weekly all season long. He also defended Bo Pelini constantly blaming everyone else for his failures. He even blames Wade for the hospital scandal and title 9 stuff that took place before Wade even got here. Basically anything he says you can be sure is the exact opposite of reality.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 3:11 am
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:44 am to JWill409
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I don’t really think the complaints are coming from the loss as much as they are the actual culture and identity of this team(and all of the previous WW teams)
What in the actual frick? Which previous team had a poor "culture and identity?" Was it the SEC Champion team from two seasons ago? Or maybe last seasons SEC runner ups? It could also be year one that you are talking about, where Wade took LSU from a 2-16 SEC team to 8-10 and to the NIT.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 5:46 am
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:49 am to JWill409
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but has too much of a free flowing, NBA style offense with no structure or identity
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. You typed out a whole bunch of words to make it seem like you did, but you are clueless.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:58 am to roscoe mike
And this matters why?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 9:02 am to The Pirate King
It’s the “what the frick do you want” arguement
Saying a coach won’t have success when he’s been pretty fricking successful is just fricking dumb.
Saying a coach won’t have success when he’s been pretty fricking successful is just fricking dumb.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:05 am to WaydownSouth
You’re correct, it will be interesting if he can adjust his offense to what TT does defensively. In the Florida game, to his credit, there were a couple of times they tried stagger screens to free up Thomas but it was horribly executed and didn’t run it again. They have to limit the amount of one on one, low percentage, contested shots.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:50 pm to doubleh
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This won’t go over well on here
As it shouldn’t. Remind me how LSU was doing in basketball before Wade showed up.
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