re: Urban Meyer QB development myth

Its not a myth when he continues to recruit great college quarterbacks and has the right guidance for them to succeed at the college level. He’s earned his credit. And you can’t knock J.T., he still broke multiple conference records without Herman. Herman’s been gone for over two years now.. come on. Quit being silly.

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Again, that's not to say Mullen isn't a good coach. But it's a bit of misnomer to say he was a QB whisperer at State

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Mullen inherited Crooms QB recruits in Chris Relf and Tyler Russell. Russell was a 4 star pro style QB with negative career rushing yards at State. Relf started year 1 Russell years 2-4 who Mullen changed his offense to the QBs pro style. Then Mullen recruited two QBs nobody in the country wanted as a QB in Dak and Fitz. Then developed them both into damn good QBs who started years 5-9.

Wow. Another urban myth unveiled.

ALL CUM's OC's run his QB system. Just like all Saban's DC's run his system. many QB's have been successful under CUM in his SYSTEM. stop being so damn stupid.

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Dan Mullen and Tom Herman, as stated, developed the QBs.

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under meyers system. are morons here trying to say meyer never had any say so or a QB system going back to Bowling Green?

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Tell me the last time an Urban Meyer team had poor QB pla last year.

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2010 UF was bad/awful while 2015/2016 tOSU teams were mediocre given the previous performances by Barret and Jones.

Again, I never said Meyer was a bad QB coach. I just noted that once those two left, his players didn't get better at the QB position. Overall, Barrett's RS Frosh year under Herman was by far his best. Tebow's 1 year without Mullen, they were not very good on offense. Hell, his passing TDs dropped 30% from 08 to 09 and even more from 07 to 09.

Again, my point is people are so desperate for LSU to be some offensive juggernaut, they'll overhype some kid and give his coaching pedigree way too much value. Tim Beck was their QB coach after Herman left in 2014 and he was mediocre at Nebraska before that.

In the end, I hope Burrow works out to be a great player for LSU, but its ridiculous the way same are acting like LSU just got Joe Montana at QB.

So, what you're trying to say is if we wanted a good offense we should've hired Mullen or Herman. Dang, if only those guys would've been available over the last year and a half.

Urban isn't the one directly coaching them, but he's still getting it done with his scheme and QB coaches.

Yes, Barrett and Cardele had a bad year after Herman left. One reason was because Cardele should have never been the starter. The other is because JT was coming off an injury.

Still the next year in 13 games he had 3400 yards from scrimmage and 33 TDs, beating 4 ranked teams (3 of which he had over 300 yards and 3+ TDs against).

This past year he threw for 3050 yards and 35 TDs and ran for 800 yards and 12 TDs

Now they will utilze a more pass heavy scheme with Haskins.

Doesn't matter the OC or QB coach, there are RARE years where his QB play is actually bad. Hell even his 2nd worst year for QB play beats every year after Jamarcus Russell's 2006 year for LSU.

Actually, 2010 was his only bad year at QB. When your offense is designed for a run/pass QB your whole college career and you go to a strictly pro style QB while losing NFL guys Hernandez and Cooper and your OC and QB coach are like opposite ends of the spectrum, it's not going to look pretty. Addazio was the OC and as HC he utilities a heavy rush offense where the WBs are only one notch above triple option QBs. Loeffler was and is a pretty mediocre pro style offense QB coach. Urban Meyer use to utilize smaller speedier backs and dual threat QBs. That whole set up was a hodgepodge of epic proportions.

I'd take a 2-3 year 3rd string Urban Meyer QB over any QB LSU tries to develop out of high school.

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Other than Prescott, it's not as if Mullen rolled out a "who's-who" of QB's at MSU. At minimum, it appears Meyer has a pretty good eye for identifying QB talent since he's had success at 3 different schools.

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2010 Chris Relf - 58% 1800 yards 8 ypa 13 TD 6 int 700 rush yards 5 TD (2500 yards 18 TDs only 6 ints would be tied for the 3rd best season for a LSU QB afted 06 Russell)

2012 Tyler Russell - 58.6% 2900 pass yards 24 TD 10 int 2 rush TD would statistically be the best season for an LSU QB after 06 Russell and he didn't have any of the top tier WRs that Mett had.

Dak Prescott - you already know

2016 Nick Fitzgerald - 54% 2420 pass yards 21 TDs 10 int 1375 rush yards 16 TD. Yes his cmp% and ypa were bad, but you're talking about a guy who strictly ran the ball at QB in high school. The fact that Mullen got him that far was incredible. And tell me, how beast LSU would have been with Fitz running the read option with Fournette and Guice in the backfield? We may not have beaten Bama, but beating UF, Wisconsin, and Auburn would have been more than likely.

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Certainly, we can say he's had a better eye for talent than anyone at LSU over the last decade since the last QB's of note that LSU signed as Freshman were Russell and Flynn

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That's a given as the last time we actually had a legit college QB coach was when Jimbo was here. The worst thing Miles ever did, even moreso than the Stone age offense, was neglect having a legit QB coach,

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It's silly to predict with any certainty that Burrow is going step in and be an All-SEC player. However, it's equally as silly to assume Meyer had NOTHING to do with multiple years of solid QB play at three different schools.

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Silly or not I believe Burrow will make LSU 3 games better than my earlier 7-5/6-6 prediction. He has the style of a playmaker, E seems like he's trying to run a more open offense, we have so much talent at WR/TE that pitch and catch should work wonders, and they will have to lean on the passing game a lot more this year.