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re: UNLV QB quits immediately over NIL
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:40 am to Nutriaitch
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:40 am to Nutriaitch
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thanks for proving my point that people don't even read the articles.
You didn’t actually link an article.
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a hair over half (51%) of that revenue goes back to schools.
which is a far cry from "the vast majority".
I should have said “the vast majority of revenue over their actual expenditures.”
The point is that the money they pay back to member institutions effectively is their “profit.” Their revenue over actual operating expenses isn’t $130 million; it’s more like $780 million. They just pay the vast majority of that out directly to the schools.
The NCAA itself is a bit of a red herring for any football conversation anyway, though, because FBS programs don’t have football revenue distribution from the NCAA.
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:43 am to Allthatfades
That's why written contracts need to be a thing in college sports. Player agrees to be a part of the team with pay based on parameters such as class attendance, grades, attendance of all team meetings and practices, drug/alcohol/public behavior, etc. I don't think it should be performance based. However, not fulfiling the contractual requirments gives financial protection to the school, meaning they don't pay or have cause to recoup the payments from the player if they get arrested for drugs or drunk driving for example or don't make grades. If the school renegs, the player has standing to sue as well.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:45 am to misey94
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If players are going to be paid directly, that has to come with rules and regulations like contracts and minimum commitment periods. Right now, no one is able to do this because of how short-sighted the Supreme Court was in its ruling. What is happening with NIL and the portal right now will not work long-term.
It's not the Supreme Court's job to legislate college football. The ruling essentially just affirm it was an Anti-Trust violation for the NCAA to prohibit players from being able to be receive "non-cash education-related benefits.
This isn't something that just snuck up on the NCAA. This had been coming for years prior to the Alston decision. The NCAA chose to fight it rather than accept the inevitable and try to develop a workable structure. Now, that failure to act is going to be to the NCAA's demise.
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we are headed for a college football league with no connections to universities, no NCAA governance, a players union, strict contracts with a min number of years attached and salary caps.
That is likely true to some degree.
The "Power 4" conference teams are breaking away from the NCAA. That is inevitable. The schools directly paying the players is about to happen as well. However, that is not going to solve the NIL issue because I'm sure the schools won't be able to pay a "salary" to the players that match what a booster wants to pay to induce the kid to sign with the school.
The interesting thing is how will the schools handle the change. There is HUGE market value in the Alabama Crimson Tide v. LSU Tiger or Ohio State Buckeyes v. Michigan Wolverines, etc. There is very little value in the Tuscaloosa Titans v. Baton Rouge Bengals or Columbus Bears vs. Ann Arbor Wolves. Even if it would be the exact same players competing for the teams. ALL of the goodwill and market value is built within the 100+ years association with the schools. Take away that, and it's just minor league football...which won't draw big revenue.
If the sport has no connection to the universities it will be effectively over. It would draw the same level of attention minor league baseball or g-league basketball draws...which is very little.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:48 am to lostinbr
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You didn’t actually link an article.
oops
I fixed it, the Title of the article is now the link as well.
My bad.
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Their revenue over actual operating expenses isn’t $130 million; it’s more like $780 million. They just pay the vast majority of that out directly to the schools.
paying the schools IS operating expenses.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:49 am to IM_4_LSU
I'd bet money I don't have that he magically ends up at another school shortly. If they're smart, they'll wait.
This makes me ill.
This makes me ill.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:52 am to Pas Bon
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I'd bet money I don't have that he magically ends up at another school shortly. If they're smart, they'll wait.
HE cant enroll anywhere mid-semester
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:53 am to Nutriaitch
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you have it backwards.
they have more money because they are spending more.
Bigger Stadium, better facilities, fancier travel, etc., etc. attracts better talent.
Better talent draws more interest.
More interest draws more money.
If your argument is that, at the individual program level, spending more leads to higher revenues - sure. It’s literally a competition.
But I don’t have it backwards. They will spend every cent that they make regardless. Again, they’re nonprofits. It comes down to determining where to spend the money to get the highest return in terms of growth.
As you said:
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Better talent draws more interest.
More interest draws more money.
They couldn’t spend money on talent before, so they spent it on everything else instead.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:53 am to misey94
i'm sure you're ok with your employers skipping pay day then 
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:54 am to Nutriaitch
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paying the schools IS operating expenses.
Hard disagree. The schools are the NCAA.
It’s like saying dividends are expenses for a publicly traded company.
ETA: Better for-profit analogy would be distributions from something like an MLP.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 8:58 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:56 am to white beans
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i'm sure you're ok with your employers skipping pay day then
The school says the player was paid what was promised but after wins against Houston and Kansas, he wanted to renegotiate terms. If that is true, then this kid sucks. I assume this will lead to performance bonuses in the future. Win big games and get a bonus. My fear is that they will make it stat related and then players might be incentivized to pad stats instead of win games.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:58 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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If tweet fails to load, click here. it's he said she said at this point. sluka saying he didn't get what was originally agreed upon, unlv leaking he wanted more. let's see if anyone steps up to provide documentation.
but if unlv did short him on what was agreed upon, i don't blame him for walking.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:00 am to Nutriaitch
I think you're completely missing my point.
Average Americans knowing who you are comes after people making decisions to promote you determine that you have marketability and/or you do something that wows people.
Shadeur Sanders is worth nothing without Deion. People knew about Deion because he made a name for himself in the 80s and 90s by being a valuable player and unique character. The average American didn't know who Shadeur was until Deion went to Colorado.
These guys are all unknown until they aren't. Becoming known comes after you have success that propels you. Sluka's NIL is in its infancy right now, and, once again, if he is deemed valuable by a school that needs a QB and has the resources and willingness to promote/pay him, he will make a ton of money.
I'm not saying Sluka will be successful. I think he will be, because he's a special player with a grittiness that's lost on a lot of QBs these days. This might blow up in his face. Nobody knows. But it's not surprising that someone with his ability has the leverage he has. I guarantee you UNLV faithful (not sure how many that is) are livid that their season likely just went down the drain.
Average Americans knowing who you are comes after people making decisions to promote you determine that you have marketability and/or you do something that wows people.
Shadeur Sanders is worth nothing without Deion. People knew about Deion because he made a name for himself in the 80s and 90s by being a valuable player and unique character. The average American didn't know who Shadeur was until Deion went to Colorado.
These guys are all unknown until they aren't. Becoming known comes after you have success that propels you. Sluka's NIL is in its infancy right now, and, once again, if he is deemed valuable by a school that needs a QB and has the resources and willingness to promote/pay him, he will make a ton of money.
I'm not saying Sluka will be successful. I think he will be, because he's a special player with a grittiness that's lost on a lot of QBs these days. This might blow up in his face. Nobody knows. But it's not surprising that someone with his ability has the leverage he has. I guarantee you UNLV faithful (not sure how many that is) are livid that their season likely just went down the drain.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:02 am to LSUGrad9295
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Yep. Someone in that athletic department was trying to have their cake and eat it too...
Or boosters
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:02 am to Allthatfades
Wow that’s their starting qb and they’re even ranked too in the coaches poll
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:03 am to Nix to Twillie
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LSU football is still LSU football and I’ll always be a diehard supporter of that alone
which proves the school carries the value, not the players.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:04 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Sounds like every workplace in the free world to me 
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 9:06 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:05 am to white beans
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Sound like every workplace in the free world to me
except the world of sports. In sports contracts are usually negotiated in the offseason. Thats the issue with not having any real contracts in college football. Gotta get it in writing.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:09 am to Bert Macklin FBI
It's an at-will relationship for both parties, UNLV are within their right to cut the player and the player is within his right to cut UNLV for any reason at all.
Contracts are the way but the schools and NIL employers are likely unwilling since they would like the ability to re-neg on any whim.
Contracts are the way but the schools and NIL employers are likely unwilling since they would like the ability to re-neg on any whim.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:09 am to Allthatfades
I am reading that he went to the coaches office demanding 300k. Clearly, all speculation.
If true, this will be an ongoing issue until regulations are in-forced. Kid is getting the bag prior to the NCAA changing redshirt opt in rules, contracts, etc.
I do not foresee this being an issue for powerhouses. They have the money to match, create agenda's via media power over the players character to drop stock, or replace a "locker room cancer" with another 4/5 star. Boosters will step in to make sure they match offered NIL money if its a generational player.
If true, this will be an ongoing issue until regulations are in-forced. Kid is getting the bag prior to the NCAA changing redshirt opt in rules, contracts, etc.
I do not foresee this being an issue for powerhouses. They have the money to match, create agenda's via media power over the players character to drop stock, or replace a "locker room cancer" with another 4/5 star. Boosters will step in to make sure they match offered NIL money if its a generational player.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:11 am to Allthatfades
College sports are a joke
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