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re: Tre Morgan got the wrong sign and ran the wrong coverage on the bunt out at home
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:11 am to Metaloctopus
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:11 am to Metaloctopus
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And on a bunt play where the corners are crashing, the second baseman will run to first and the shortstop covers second.
SS does NOT cover second unless you like giving the runner at 1B a free pass to third.
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:15 am to mmcgrath
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When the runner on 3rd could end the game (and your season) by getting home you don't give a crap about someone reaching first.
Yes you do.
You don’t give a crap about the runner at first reaching second.
But you damn sure are giving a crap about the batter runner reaching first. If anything breaks down about the play going home, you have to then get the out at first.
This wasn’t the ninth inning and winning run at 3rd.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:19 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:18 am to Meauxjeaux
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SS does NOT cover second unless you like giving the runner at 1B a free pass to third.
Let me explain this even further, since a very simple play seems to be throwing some off. If there is a bunt, in that situation with a runner on first, the ss runs to second in case it's bunted back to the mound and there is a throw to second, while the 2b runs to cover first as the corners crash in. If the throw goes anywhere else, the ss simply peels off and runs for third, or the pitcher, having either thrown the ball, or not been involved in the play at all, can easily run over to third if he sees that no one is there. In that situation, the main thing is to cut off the runner at home, and then everything else is just basic fundamentals in figuring out who covers third. That's not really very hard to do.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:23 am to Pintail
Man this sounds like some Les Miles-level dumb luck. Jay calls the wrong coverage and Tre’s athleticism covers up for the dumb decision. Sound familiar? Give Jay his due but he made some head scratching decisions this year that fortunately worked out.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:24 am to Metaloctopus
quote:That leaves no one at 3rd which is just not acceptable in a normal play call. I agree that the goal is to prevent runs from scoring, but your play should also not leave you vulnerable to other runners advancing more bases to prevent future runs. I know it’s shocking for some of you to hear, but sometimes the play that’s called concedes a run, especially when the kid lays down what would’ve been a perfect bunt. All that being said, I’m happy the play turned out the way it did, but I think Jay knows more about what to call than tRant
And on a bunt play where the corners are crashing, the second baseman will run to first and the shortstop covers second.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:25 am to Meauxjeaux
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Did Skenes miss it too?
Skenes broke on it pretty well but with how close it was to the first base line, I'm not sure how good of a throw Skenes can make with having to turn and fire. Tre getting to that ball was 100% the perfect scenario on that bunt.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:29 am to Metaloctopus
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Let me explain this even further, since a very simple play seems to be throwing some off. If there is a bunt, in that situation with a runner on first, the ss runs to second in case it's bunted back to the mound and there is a throw to second, while the 2b runs to cover first as the corners crash in. If the throw goes anywhere else, the ss simply peels off and runs for third, or the pitcher, having either thrown the ball, or not been involved in the play at all, can easily run over to third if he sees that no one is there. In that situation, the main thing is to cut off the runner at home, and then everything else is just basic fundamentals in figuring out who covers third. That's not really very hard to do.
That's great explanation...
...of the wrong situation. Sorry.
In *this* situation, there is zero thought of "bunted back to mound and there is a throw to second". None. Never.
There is only
A- play is at the plate,
B- play at the plate gets weirdly blown up (player slips fielding the ball, etc), then take the out at 1B. (ETA: AND keep the runner at 1B going to 3B since that's what the discussion of the SS role in the play is what we're talking about)
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:32 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:31 am to Theodore Links Watch
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That leaves no one at 3rd which is just not acceptable in a normal play call.
As I just said to another person, the pitcher is free at that point to cover third base. It's not leaving third open, unless someone falls asleep. If everyone is following their fundamentals, there is no issue there.
quote:
I know it’s shocking for some of you to hear, but sometimes the play that’s called concedes a run, especially when the kid lays down what would’ve been a perfect bunt. All that being said, I’m happy the play turned out the way it did, but I think Jay knows more about what to call than tRant
And I know it might be shocking for you to hear, but you're not telling my anything I don't already fully understand. You don't call a play to concede a run there, however. You simply do not. And having the corners crashing is also not conceding a free base to someone else, as I just noted. This is not complicated. You can repeat that tired statement of the coach knowing better than the fans, to deflect, all you wish, but there is not an argument to be made where you don't make every effort to cut off that run at home in the 8th inning of a scoreless game, where you know runs are at a premium. If Tre doesn't do what needed to be done in the first place, LSU loses 1-0, and we're not celebrating a 7th national title.
Sometimes, just sometimes... the coach makes the wrong decison. And sometimes, regular people can see it. Because it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:33 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:34 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:
That's great explanation...
...of the wrong situation. Sorry.
In *this* situation, there is zero thought of "bunted back to mound and there is a throw to second". None. Never.
There is only
A- play is at the plate,
B- play at the plate gets weirdly blown up (player slips fielding the ball, etc), then take the out at 1B. (ETA: AND keep the runner at 1B going to 3B since that's what the discussion of the SS role in the play is what we're talking about)
If the ball is bunted hard back to the mound, there could be a double play. So yes, there is a situation. But if the throw comes home, or goes to first, the pitcher covers third, as I already said. I don't know where you get your ideas.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:36 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:39 am to Metaloctopus
quote:the fact that you made comment gives me a lot of peace of mind. There is no situation in baseball where the pitcher covers 3rd on a bunt play. I can now truly rest assured that you have no idea what you’re talking about
As I just said to another person, the pitcher is free at that point to cover third base
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:41 am to Metaloctopus
quote:If the ball is bunted hard back to the mound they are 100% dealing with the runner on 3rd in that situation.
If the ball is bunted hard back to the mound, there could be a double play.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:46 am to Theodore Links Watch
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the fact that you made comment gives me a lot of peace of mind. There is no situation in baseball where the pitcher covers 3rd on a bunt play. I can now truly rest assured that you have no idea what you’re talking about
Man... This is ridiculous at this point.
He's not going to cover third IF THE RUNNER IS BEING BUNTED FROM SECOND TO THIRD. In the exact situation that you're so worried about, where a runner goes all the way from first to third, because the ss is covering second, the pitcher has the responsibility, and plenty of time, to cover third base. Pitchers have to cover bases all the time, including third.
But you think I am the one who doesn't know anything? That's pretty interesting.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:49 am to MOT
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If the ball is bunted hard back to the mound they are 100% dealing with the runner on 3rd in that situation.
Probably so, but then you wouldn't have thought that Tre wasn't supposed to be crashing on that play. And my point is that if the ss does in fact cover second, it's not going to be an issue for all the reasons I've repeated several times. People even being worried about first base being unoccupied, when the 2b would be covering first, is just mind boggling to me.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:51 am to Theodore Links Watch
I think the disconnect in this thread is "A" situation versus "THIS" situation.
The call from CJJ was clearly get the runner at home.
The call *could* have been go for the double play.
PS: There are many situations where P will peel back and cover 3B (for Theodore)
The call from CJJ was clearly get the runner at home.
The call *could* have been go for the double play.
PS: There are many situations where P will peel back and cover 3B (for Theodore)
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 8:52 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:54 am to Pintail
He’s so good, he’s legendary even when he effs up
Posted on 7/5/23 at 8:57 am to Metaloctopus
quote:my point to you is that this isn’t an actual play. It is a baseball rule that you never want to have a pitcher covering a bag in which a tag may have to be applied. They tend to struggle with that since they rarely run into that situation. That’s why I see your posts and realize that you don’t actually know what you’re talking about right now
In the exact situation that you're so worried about, where a runner goes all the way from first to third, because the ss is covering second, the pitcher has the responsibility, and plenty of time, to cover third base.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:09 am to Pintail
I'm glad he did. Seems like the coaches f'ed up by not calling that play and Tre saved them.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:36 am to Pintail
Nah, whoever gave "the sign" messed up, not Tre.
Tre said they practiced that play "a thousand times". It was instinctual. The call was not.
Tre said they practiced that play "a thousand times". It was instinctual. The call was not.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:40 am to Pintail
I have a CSB: WHen I was in HS I played strong saftey and I got 1 career sack where I got the play wrong. Just so happened that the QB rolled out directly where I was mistakenly blitzing and I nailed him.
Best ear full I ever got from a coach lol.
Best ear full I ever got from a coach lol.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:08 am to HondaBigRed
Defensive play of the year made and coach jay had the wrong call on...
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