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re: Toviano...Anyone have an update?

Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:33 am to
Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
6059 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:33 am to
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I’m not asking you to be outraged. But I don’t understand why you would defend someone like that.


Because he plays football for the tigers...it's that simple
Posted by GardenState10
Member since Jul 2024
88 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:18 am to
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LOL. You don't give a shite about justice.


LSU win >>>>> pulling a kim kardashian
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12624 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:50 am to
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This can't be the whole law.

It’s obviously not the whole law considering the excerpt ends with “and either:”

I’ve already linked the law in this thread. Here it is again:
RS 13:283
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This would be unconstitutional to uphold in a public setting. The law must have language that determines if the setting is public or private or a presumption of privacy which you don't have in a public space. In public, I can videotape everyone, regardless of consent. It is part of our constitutional rights to have free speech and free press.

I'm not condoning what he did, I just think you oversimplified the law to the extreme.

The reason I bolded and underlined part of the quoted text was to dispute the idea that her knowledge of any previous recording (which would have also been a felony without her consent anyway) is somehow a defense. It doesn’t matter because the law requires consent for the specific instance. It wasn’t intended to be a simplification of the entire law.

To your point, yes - the law does require a reasonable expectation of privacy (in the event that the recording is not done for a “lewd or lascivious” purpose) for video voyeurism to occur.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4314 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:03 pm to
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Here you go

"The woman told detectives that Toviano had recorded them having sex in the past without her consent and she told him she did not want to be recorded."


So that now means it wasn't a HIDDEN camera, since she knew it was there. Which implies consent knowing his trail cam was set up there, and you walked there.

Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13055 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:08 pm to
Good grief !
Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
4404 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:12 pm to
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Obviously want to see justice done, but also need depth at cb..


Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
4404 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:20 pm to
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You can have a security camera anywhere you want inside your house


This was my question too. Are you not allowed to have security cameras inside your home? Do you have to request consent anytime someone comes over or turn them off? Not related to this, but just in general how that works.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56842 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:31 pm to
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He recorded the same girl before, she knew he did it, and she stil had sex with him again. Also, he said he was just protecting himself. With the #metoo money grab, I can understand why somebody would want a tape as insurance.


Wasn't it a hidden video recorder?
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16986 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:34 pm to
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So that now means it wasn't a HIDDEN camera, since she knew it was there. Which implies consent knowing his trail cam was set up there, and you walked there.

That’s not how that works
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16986 posts
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:42 pm to
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This was my question too. Are you not allowed to have security cameras inside your home? Do you have to request consent anytime someone comes over or turn them off? Not related to this, but just in general how that works.

If you are planning on filming them naked, yes you have to ask for permission.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4314 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 9:58 am to
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That’s not how that works


Exactly how it works when they he said/she said the part about her knowing.
She can't prove she asked not to be filmed. He can prove now ABSOLUTELY she knew camera was there and went back to the same spot!

When it's heresy, you revert back to facts to establish the foundation
Posted by Tiger fan999
Member since Jan 2020
580 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:34 am to
Toviano was seen in the group pic of LSU in the meeting starting fall camp.

LINK
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33487 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:44 am to
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"The woman told detectives that Toviano had recorded them having sex in the past without her consent and she told him she did not want to be recorded."


quote:

So that now means it wasn't a HIDDEN camera, since she knew it was there. Which implies consent knowing his trail cam was set up there, and you walked there.


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ChatGPT of LA



Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16986 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:45 am to
I guess statement “suspended from all team activities” is being used pretty loosely
Posted by TigerKnights
Member since Jun 2011
4404 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 11:17 am to
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If you are planning on filming them naked, yes you have to ask for permission.


And if it's not planned just a camera you keep on all the time for security? Again unrelated to this case.
Posted by YMCA
It's Fun to Stay
Member since May 2011
4921 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:00 pm to
According to the front page, he’s been reinstated by the university and is back with the team.
Posted by Jack Daniel
Gold member
Member since Feb 2013
28612 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:01 pm to
Larry says Toviano is back
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12624 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:02 pm to
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And if it's not planned just a camera you keep on all the time for security? Again unrelated to this case.

The question is whether they have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Bedrooms and bathrooms are pretty much universally acknowledged as places where a “reasonable expectation of privacy” holds.

Simply having a camera in those locations isn’t illegal, but capturing specific things (such as sexual intercourse, nudity, someone using the bathroom, etc.) without consent to that specific instance of recording is a felony.

So basically you can put cameras wherever you want, but if you put one in your bathroom you have to ask for consent to capture video whenever someone uses the bathroom.

The same applies to businesses, which is why you don’t see cameras for anti-shoplifting purposes in fitting rooms or bathrooms. I remember reading about a case where a store owner had a camera that only covered the “common” area of a bathroom (like around the sinks, if I recall) for anti-theft purposes and got arrested for it.

As I understand, it becomes more complicated in other parts of a house/apartment (e.g. living rooms, kitchens, etc.). The question of whether a visitor/tenant/whatever has a reasonable expectation of privacy might be more nuanced in those cases.

Once you get outside it becomes pretty clear that there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy, but you do have to be somewhat careful about aiming cameras toward other houses’ windows.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
7828 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:09 pm to
If a person knows about a camera, it's not secret
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16986 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 12:12 pm to
It’s a camera hidden in a fricking clock dude
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