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re: Torina will now have made the WCWS 4 times in 13 years at LSU
Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:06 am to slappy dappy doo
Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:06 am to slappy dappy doo
quote:I know very little about women and even less about softball.
There are 250 NCAA D1 softball teams.
Is a softball program a good way for a typical university athletics department to hit Title IX expenditure requirements? Does just about everyone carry a program for that reason?
Asked differently, are there more softball teams than there are great players to go around?
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:39 am to LSUPERMAN
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The problem is her last 7 years and not getting there when she has her fingerprints all over it and not the previous regimes.
The previous regime had a 7 year WCWS drought before Torina took over. Is it your argument that the program was in such good shape after 7 years that it lead to 4 appearances in the next 6 years? If so, that doesn’t make a very strong case that Torina missing 6 WCWS is proof the program is hopeless. Also, 3 of Torina’s WCWS appearances came in her 4th-6th seasons. Explain to me how that was due to previous regimes.
Tennessee missed 6 straight WCWS before they turned things around to make the WCWS last year and win the SEC this year. Michigan missed the WCWS 6 times in 7 years from 2006-2012 before making it 3 of the next 4 years, including a runner-up finish. They didn’t reach the WCWS until Hawkins’ 11th season. Georgia’s coach did not make the WCWS until her 9th season, made it 2 seasons, had a 5 year drought, then made it 2 of the next 3 seasons and 3 of the next 5 WCWS before retiring. Washington won a title in 2009, but then missed the WCWS in 5 of 6 seasons between 2011-2016 before making 3 in a row and 4 of the next 6. Arizona missed 8 straight WCWS from 2011-18 before making the next 3 in a row. UCLA missed 5 of 6 WCWS from 2009-14 before making 7 in a row and 8 of the last 9.
Droughts mid-career of some of the best coaches of the best programs are not at all uncommon. In fact, it’s more the norm than an exception. I’m not saying Torina will turn things around, but the program is not obviously irreparably broken.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:31 am to MikeTheTiger71
Very good post however I would argue that most of those examples lacked talent and surged because of an infusion of new talent. Does anyone think there wasn’t enough talent this yr ? Absent massive portal improvements next years 5 starters will be the worse in her 13 yrs..I excluded Redoutey, Coffee and Bergeron… I will still maintain there isn’t a SEC starter on the bench not even close
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:46 am to Geauxgurt
That's once every 3 1/4 years. What's the problem?
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:52 am to paulb52
How many have made more than 0 in the last 7 years? I bet that list is pretty long.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:39 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Since Beth has been at LSU, the following teams have been to the WCWS more times than LSU: UCLA Alabama Florida Washington Arizona Tennessee Oklahoma State There are another handful that have just as many WCWS appearances as we do during that time.
Tennessee has been 4 times, which is not more than Torina’s 4 and Arizona has 3. On the other hand, FSU and Oregon had 5, but Oregon’s coach is now at Texas. There are not a handful of other programs with 4. 6 have more than 4 and 1 other has 4.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:55 pm to Geauxgurt
But hit she’s so nice and she’s one of us now……….
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:56 pm to MikeTheTiger71
How many have the resources that she has……..I’ll wait.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:19 pm to Geauxgurt
My thread conflating her to Smoke Laval got whacked. But this is pretty much saying the same; only that she’s hung around longer
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:26 pm to FireawayLSU
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How many have the resources that she has……..I’ll wait.
I'm all for letting her finish out her contract, but we should not renew her. That gives Scott two years to scout the college softball landscape for a replacement.
Sometimes good coaches get complacent or stubborn and the program gets stale. Les Miles did it, so did Mark Richt. It happens.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:30 pm to FireawayLSU
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How many have the resources that she has……..I’ll wait.
What do you know about the resources available to those other schools? Torina is the 5th highest paid coach in the SEC. This idea that LSU has better resources than most of the SEC and the top programs in the Big 12 and PAC-12 is just not accurate.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:52 pm to Geauxgurt
Top 16 out of 250 is mediocre??? I understand some people think LSU sports teams should win national championships on a regular basis (I enjoy those.championships), but do those people get fired if they are in the top 16 of 250 people in America who do what they do?
Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:25 pm to GeauxTigers73
been to the WCWS 5 outta the last 6 years
go get him scott!
show him that money!
go get him scott!
show him that money!
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 4:10 pm to Geauxgurt
I always find it weird when fans hold one coach to a certain standard (football) but other sports we are just okay with being decent.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 4:17 pm to semjase
Softball Nikki must go!
Are you an idiot?
Nikki just flat out quit. If you think that they are the same, you are an idiot. She may not be able to get us over the hump in the toughest league. OK, so it's time to go...
Question.. Maybe a hot young coach looking to make a name, but a seasoned vet is not taking a job where they just fired the coach for only making to to game 3 of a super, ranked number 9 in the nation. (not very Nikki)....AND... It will be harder to do THAT going FW.
Next year will be her last. But don't call her Nikki.
Are you an idiot?
Nikki just flat out quit. If you think that they are the same, you are an idiot. She may not be able to get us over the hump in the toughest league. OK, so it's time to go...
Question.. Maybe a hot young coach looking to make a name, but a seasoned vet is not taking a job where they just fired the coach for only making to to game 3 of a super, ranked number 9 in the nation. (not very Nikki)....AND... It will be harder to do THAT going FW.
Next year will be her last. But don't call her Nikki.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:05 pm to LSU1SLU
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I always find it weird when fans hold one coach to a certain standard (football) but other sports we are just okay with being decent.
LA turns out the most D1 talent per capita of any state in the country in football and draws 100K+ in attendance. Softball doesn’t have anywhere near the built in advantages that football does. Football coaches are judged against the program’s storied history of success. Torina is the most successful softball coach in LSU history.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:06 pm to Fat Bastard
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been to the WCWS 5 outta the last 6 years
A$M tried to lure him away last year before settling on making Ford the highest paid coach in the conference.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:08 pm to Geauxgurt
Why is this even being debated?
In the new NCAA landscape, people will give even less of a shite about non-revenue sports than they do now. Torina, or her replacement, will be lucky to make half her current salary 3 years from now.
I hate it, but softball, swimming, tennis, golf, etc., may not even exist at the collegiate level, except as club sports.
In the new NCAA landscape, people will give even less of a shite about non-revenue sports than they do now. Torina, or her replacement, will be lucky to make half her current salary 3 years from now.
I hate it, but softball, swimming, tennis, golf, etc., may not even exist at the collegiate level, except as club sports.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:09 pm to slappy dappy doo
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But she's better than mediocre.
Don’t split hairs. LSU deserves a championship caliber coach. She ain’t it.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:10 pm to Geauxgurt
First of all, who you replacing her with?
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