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re: Tommy John - Not If, but When?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:04 am to ell_13
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:04 am to ell_13
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You are accusing lots of really strong and athletic people who did everything right that they didn’t take care of themselves.
They tried. But, they didn't really know how to properly do it for the sake of preventing arm injury. Most don't know how to do it. And, I'm not saying I do know how to do it. Those that know are probably some combination of physical therapist, strength and conditioning background, etc. It is not Coach Joe Blow for the undefeated 10U LA Mudrats.
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:06 am to GeauxATX
That rubberband only has so many stretches in it. Everyone has a finite number of overhand throws is the answer.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:08 am to UpToPar
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None of this is new. At least not within the last 10-15 years. The rise in UCL tears is at least 90% related to the emphasis on velocity.
It is combination of the old and the new. Old is overuse, poor instruction and care. New is the emphasis on velocity. When you combine the 2, you have a recipe for disaster.
ETA: I think we'd made some progress on overuse and care, but we'll always see ways around it and other issues. But, introducing the emphasis on velocity muddies the waters yet again.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:09 am to crewdepoo
More side armed throwing would help ?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:10 am to GeauxATX
Pitching is not a natural act. I have a hard time reconciling that the most basic act in the game is that damaging.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:10 am to DRock88
I’m pretty sure that whatever Edwards, Taylor, and Shores did at 10 had zero impact on their injuries this year.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:10 am to GeauxATX
quote:Or, just have a team that can hit like hell.
This is just a part of baseball now, and having enough pitching depth to sustain multiple UCLs is going to become a requirement to compete for titles.
Seriously though, if LSU can make it to Omaha, it'll be interesting to see if LSU's offense can keep this pace up in that park. This is of course based on our pitching staying how it currently is and not improving, which I think it will (please baby Jesus).
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:12 am to GeauxATX
Wes Johnson did have a rep coming into LSU of destroying pitchers' arms, just saying...
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:14 am to GeauxATX
It’s like driving a car 100 mph everywhere you go. Eventually if you drive long enough you will get into an accident. Maybe you never do but the odds keep getting worse for you every time
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:17 am to ell_13
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I’m pretty sure that whatever Edwards, Taylor, and Shores did at 10 had zero impact on their injuries this year.
They played for the Mudrats?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:18 am to lsu777
The driveline pulse (formerly known as the motus sleeve) is a great tool to monitor total throwing workload and stress level on arms. Once a kid is at puberty I would use these for all practices. It monitors every single throw and allows you to see abnormal spikes in volume /intensity.
Just one tool to be combined with strength, proper warmup, recovery and sensible pitch limits.
Just one tool to be combined with strength, proper warmup, recovery and sensible pitch limits.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:18 am to GeauxATX
It seems like pitchers are reaching back for everything they have on almost every pitch these days. Whether it's going for velocity or good spin rate, it seems like the emphasis on advanced metrics and "stuff" are causing guys to over extend themselves and the UCL seems to be the weak link in the arm when throwing over the top.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:24 am to GeauxATX
Ive heard lowering the mound might help. Or even doing away with the mound for kids. Apparently it puts unnecessary strain on the arm/shoulder. Japanese baseball has lower mounds and they get much more mileage out of their pitchers.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:27 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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This may be a dumb question or it may be a billion dollar idea but is there not a brace or something that exists or can be invented that supports the UCL while a pitcher pitches?
I think a lot of these pitchers secretly want TJ surgery because most of them return with a higher fastball velocity.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:27 am to Tiger Ryno
Yea pulse is good, but ArmCare.com device is better imo. Knowing how much high intent throws you perform is good but if you don’t have the know how of what to do with the info…doesn’t do much good. Especially if you don’t know if you are at risk for injury that day.
ArmCare.com device takes care of all that. Still have strength work to do, but it’s a very very very good start,
I also think every kid should be wearing the kinetic sleeve starting at 9 during practice and lessons, the full kinetic arm once big enough.
ArmCare.com device takes care of all that. Still have strength work to do, but it’s a very very very good start,
I also think every kid should be wearing the kinetic sleeve starting at 9 during practice and lessons, the full kinetic arm once big enough.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:30 am to GeauxATX
We’ve already scheduled Westin’s TJ surgery. He’s 10 and hasn’t injured it yet but getting in there early to prevent the future injury when he is in the prime of his career and making the big money.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:31 am to lsu777
Not Familiar with it. Any of your kids wear it? Does it effect their motion at all?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:33 am to GeauxATX
They need to develop a preventative procedure to strengthen the UCL prior to it becoming injured.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:40 am to Tiger Ryno
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Not Familiar with it. Any of your kids wear it? Does it effect their motion at all?
Waiting on the one his size to come in stock, supposed to be in next week. Not supposed to affect range of motion. Our pitching coach used it at a convention a while back and fell in love with them. That along with the studies they have and the new clients they have is enough for me.
As far as the ArmCare.com is something we use, I don’t have my own yet but will very soon that both kids will share.
Look into them, think you will be impressed
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 5/3/23 at 12:10 pm to lsu777
Thanks bro will take a look.
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