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Todd McShay on Joe Burrow (TDP Show)
Posted on 12/18/19 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 12/18/19 at 6:10 pm
I caught part of McShay's Mock Draft discussion with Dan Patrick this morning. Of course they started off with the top guys in the draft, Burrow and Young. The first thing that was surprising to me was that he said he would take Young first (not really surprising) unless Lawrence was in this draft. His main reason for not liking Burrow that high was because he views him as a one hit wonder that needs a Joe Brady-type Coordinator to be successful in the NFL.
Now, I get why some people might look at it that way...if they are only looking at it on the surface. But how the hell can a guy like McShay, who gets paid to watch film and make Mock Drafts, look at last season and this season and think it's ONLY because of Brady?! I wonder if he paid attention to how many drops LSU WRs had last year? Or what Burrow did in the Fiesta Bowl when Brady wasn't there? Or even just watched the way Burrow has played for the last 2 seasons.
I'm not sure how anyone could think he's a flash in the pan.
Has anyone looked at the stats for last season and figured how many incompletions were due to drops? I would be curious to know, because it's been said often that part of the problem was the receivers not catching the ball.
Now, I get why some people might look at it that way...if they are only looking at it on the surface. But how the hell can a guy like McShay, who gets paid to watch film and make Mock Drafts, look at last season and this season and think it's ONLY because of Brady?! I wonder if he paid attention to how many drops LSU WRs had last year? Or what Burrow did in the Fiesta Bowl when Brady wasn't there? Or even just watched the way Burrow has played for the last 2 seasons.
I'm not sure how anyone could think he's a flash in the pan.
Has anyone looked at the stats for last season and figured how many incompletions were due to drops? I would be curious to know, because it's been said often that part of the problem was the receivers not catching the ball.
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Posted on 12/18/19 at 6:16 pm to Cowboyfan89
For Joe's sake and his career, I hope he isn't the top pick. I wish he would drop to a decent organization where he can thrive and have a great career. He might do well anyway, but some of these teams are just a mess.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 6:54 pm to Cowboyfan89
I actually think Burrow is more responsible for the offense’s success than Brady.
It’s a well designed offense but Burrow is routinely checking out of plays, reading defenses, and hit guys deep in his progressions.
On top of that he has been extremely clutch in big games. Sorry, that’s not Brady. We got a generational talent at quarterback. It’s just not as obvious because his best talent is between the ears, he’s not an athletic freak. He’s a film room, decision making freak... ala Drew Brees.
It’s a well designed offense but Burrow is routinely checking out of plays, reading defenses, and hit guys deep in his progressions.
On top of that he has been extremely clutch in big games. Sorry, that’s not Brady. We got a generational talent at quarterback. It’s just not as obvious because his best talent is between the ears, he’s not an athletic freak. He’s a film room, decision making freak... ala Drew Brees.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 6:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I said it last year and I'm sticking to it. He is the smartest player on the field at any given time. This dude is off the charts on his football intellect. He just happens to be athletic enough and have that pocket awareness to separate himself
Posted on 12/18/19 at 6:57 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Just look at where Brady, Brees and Rodgers were drafted and remind yourself how smart all of these guys are.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:09 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Joe Brady-type Coordinator to be successful in the NFL.
So Joe Brady wasn't a coordinator in the NFL. He's not a coordinator now come to think of it. Not sure what McShay was trying to say here exactly but I'm pretty sure I don't buy it.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:13 pm to Cowboyfan89
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he views him as a one hit wonder that needs a Joe Brady-type Coordinator to be successful in the NFL
I normally like Todd, but why would he say this and still have Burrow as his #2 player in the entire draft - regardless of position. Do all the guys below him also need a special coach in order to be good?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I actually think Burrow is more responsible for the offense’s success than Brady.
I agree but I will add the WR performance to Burrow's accuracy. The drop last year turned into catching damn near every ball, contested or poorly thrown, this year. That was the difference. But Burrow has been crazy accurate and made great decisions. That isn't scheme.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:17 pm to dcw7g
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I normally like Todd, but why would he say this and still have Burrow as his #2 player in the entire draft - regardless of position.
Yeah, #2 doesn't seem to align with what he said, other than the fact that he has him over Tua only because of Tua's injury concerns. He even said if Tua was healthy, he'd have him over Burrow.
Still, #3 would be awfully high for a guy that he thinks still needs to prove himself.
This post was edited on 12/18/19 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:18 pm to Cowboyfan89
The best thing that could happen to Joe is if he dropped to mid-to-late first round. QBs aren’t running backs. In the right situation they can play 15-20 years. It’s better to get the best situation than to get the bigger initial contract as a rookie.
Won’t happen though. He’ll go 1 or 2 and spend his first contract running for his life showing to shitty WRs.
Won’t happen though. He’ll go 1 or 2 and spend his first contract running for his life showing to shitty WRs.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:51 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:Was discussed this morning on SEC Now. Highest rate in the SEC.
Has anyone looked at the stats for last season and figured how many incompletions were due to drops?
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:56 pm to Cowboyfan89
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The first thing that was surprising to me was that he said he would take Young first (not really surprising) unless Lawrence was in this draft. His main reason for not liking Burrow that high was because he views him as a one hit wonder that needs a Joe Brady-type Coordinator to be successful in the NFL.
This is why McShay is no where a draft crew for a real team... You have the opportunity for a person who can account for 60 TD's in a season and one who will account for maybe 4-5 TD's prevented in a season...
When your team is losing games 41-35 a defensive guy makes sense. When you havent scored 20 pts in a game all season you need to overhaul the offense...
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:06 pm to Cowboyfan89
McShay is wrong. Every QB has a specific system that's tailored to their skill-set. I strongly disagree with McShay on this one. He's been wrong on plenty of draft picks 
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:09 pm to Cowboyfan89
McShay is a hack and bends to the will of his employer for ratings.
Seriously, frick. Him.
Seriously, frick. Him.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:18 pm to Cowboyfan89
It’s a valid point. No disrespect to joe. Hell there is a debate if Tom Brady would be a hall of famer without Belichick. (Also vice versa). In the end, peeps will sit down with joe and learn more about his work ethic, competitiveness, and football IQ.
And then make him a Bengal!
And then make him a Bengal!
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:23 pm to Cowboyfan89
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His main reason for not liking Burrow that high was because he views him as a one hit wonder that needs a Joe Brady-type Coordinator to be successful in the NFL.
So get a Brady type coordinator?
What QB is good with a bad coordinator? What a stupid position.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:41 pm to Cowboyfan89
Every QB in the NFL needs a Joe Brady to be successful...
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:57 pm to AlaTiger
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For Joe's sake and his career, I hope he isn't the top pick. I wish he would drop to a decent organization where he can thrive and have a great career. He might do well anyway, but some of these teams are just a mess.
Burrow needs a good coordinator like Joe Brady.
Sean Peyton says, "HI !!"
Let them talk Burrow down to the Saints.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 9:23 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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Won’t happen though. He’ll go 1 or 2 and spend his first contract running for his life showing to shitty WRs.
The good news is the Bengals have some really good WRs... The bad news is they have a horrible line, and an even worst front office.
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