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re: TJ opens up the RPO portion of the offense
Posted on 10/25/20 at 11:57 am to The First Cut
Posted on 10/25/20 at 11:57 am to The First Cut
Johnson is very much the best athlete LSU has at QB
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Posted on 10/25/20 at 11:57 am to TigerLunatik
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A play that LSU didn't run last night.
Point being, that that play is exactly that. Run pass option that then creates a matchup for a pass or run option.
It's really not that difficult to comprehend. You're acting like the pre-snap read and then real time reads end after the initial read, and that everything that happens post doesn't matter.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 11:59 am to Solo Cam
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God dammit for the 1000 time. RPO doesn’t mean the QB runs.
bingo
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He does allow us to run read options though
max johnson had a nice zone read run last night. burrow was great at them also.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 11:59 am to Lester Earl
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Because running an RPO does not require your QB to be mobile
Your brother, as described in the OP, enjoys the look the zone read brings. He wrongly mislabeled it as an RPO.
The QBs ability to run definitely brings another wrinkle. I preached as such this offseason. You don’t really win titles anymore without a mobile QB.
I think we're just having a difficulty communicating.
I think he was saying that effective ZONE READ plays as well as the threat of them, open up the RPO portion of the offense.
Zone Reads being encapsulated in the R part of the RPO.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:00 pm to P bean
Agreed 100%. Not willing to say he is the starter as Brennan is and should be, but Finely earned playing time IMO. He also should be given a chance if the offense fails to get 3rd downs, like against Mizz.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:02 pm to P bean
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Lol, uhh RPO means “Run Pass Optio.”
holy shite. the run option art of that is USUALLY a handoff to a RB! the QB can still run but is not required in a RPO play.
zone read is hand off dive or keep and run off tackle based off whether DE crashes or stays home.
you people learn buzzwords and do not understand how shite works
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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think we're just having a difficulty communicating.
I think he was saying that effective ZONE READ plays as well as the threat of them, open up the RPO portion of the offense.
This was his first sentence bro. All I am saying is this is 100% inherently false.
He means zone read. Because ANY QB can run RPO. You don’t need to be mobile.
After 8 pages he’s still wrong & hasn’t owned that he was wrong.
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but TJ allows us to run the RPO,
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:05 pm to TheJuicey
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He also should be given a chance if the offense fails to get 3rd downs, like against Mizz.
So if people drop 4 balls right in the hands on 3rd down again, we should pull Brennan? Or if we run a screen or two vs a blitz, which is the right call, and the D stops us a yard or two short, that’s reason for a QB change? Or if a defender bats a pass down, like the 3rd down play from the 1 at the end of the game? Sometimes the D just wins the play.
Keep 0-10 in context. If players other than the QB did their jobs, we go 4-10 at Mizzou. Sure, Brennan was responsible for several of the plays not being successful, but it isn’t binary. That total was on the entire offense.
For the record, I think it would be wise to play Finley in some short and goal line situations going forward, no matter what.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:07 pm to Lester Earl
so---
let's pretend that he did mean that, the zone read plays opened up the RPO plays.
Would you agree with that?
Is it possible that being successful with zone reads and having a mobile quarterback opens up the RPO?
Because TJ and his threat to run during Zone Read, Sneaks, and Draws, allows our RPO ot be more effective.
let's pretend that he did mean that, the zone read plays opened up the RPO plays.
Would you agree with that?
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Because ANY QB can run RPO. You don’t need to be mobile.
Is it possible that being successful with zone reads and having a mobile quarterback opens up the RPO?
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but TJ allows us to run the RPO,
Because TJ and his threat to run during Zone Read, Sneaks, and Draws, allows our RPO ot be more effective.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:15 pm to P bean
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Hilariously wrong.
What freed up our running game was a running QB that held the defense.
Ironic you call out somebody for being wrong and then make a statement like this... wanna know how I know you don’t have nderstand the rpo concept?
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:18 pm to Fat Bastard
RPO is this:
QB either hands it or keeps it (RUN)
QB passes it (PASS)
Simple enough??????
Why do you tards think a QB run is not lart of RPO’s?
QB either hands it or keeps it (RUN)
QB passes it (PASS)
Simple enough??????
Why do you tards think a QB run is not lart of RPO’s?
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:19 pm to P bean
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RPO is this:
QB either hands it or keeps it (RUN)
QB passes it (PASS)
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:21 pm to P bean
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Why do you tards think a QB run is not lart of RPO’s?
Because it rarely, if ever, is
Reading the safety does no good for the quarterback to determine if he should run or not.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:25 pm to Broken Arrow
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Ironic you call out somebody for being wrong and then make a statement like this... wanna know how I know you don’t have nderstand the rpo concept?
Imagine you're playing defense. LB.
You see a running back running towards the line, line is run blocking, QB puts it in his belly, and the RB runs between the guard and the tackle.
The very next play, you see the exact same thing. Except this time, the QB pulls it out and runs the opposite direction off tackle.
You're like frick, this ZONE READ is making me think about two things.
And then on the very next play, the QB puts the ball in the RB belly, (you wait to make sure he actually gets it), he didn't get it! you dive towards the QB because clearly he's going to take it off tackle now, but wait! The QB isn't running, he's passing? You immediately drop back into pass coverage.
But that moment hesitation allows a WR to get a few feet of separation on a slant. Which the QB hits easily. First down, offense.
It's not that difficult guys. Variability and multiple reads for the defense to make that create valuable space.
Brennan is more boom or bust, and his lack of dimension makes for the WRs to have to beat their men outright (which they're capable of doing). This is why we've had trouble converting third downs and definitely third and longs. The defense drops back knowing that they only have to defend the pass.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
Ya’ll are idiots if you dont think qb runs are apart of RPO’s.
The defense has to read whether the QB is going to keep it or hand it off. This freezes the defense.
QB can tell which will work presnap. Often, guys like Lamar Jackson will freeze the defense and hit the pass. RPO. Goddamn.
The defense has to read whether the QB is going to keep it or hand it off. This freezes the defense.
QB can tell which will work presnap. Often, guys like Lamar Jackson will freeze the defense and hit the pass. RPO. Goddamn.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Because it rarely, if ever, is
Reading the safety does no good for the quarterback to determine if he should run or not.
i think i finally just diagnosed your disconnect.
You're talking about the reads the QB has to make.
We're talking about the reads the defense has to make watching the QB.
The defense does not know at the beginning of the play whether it's a zone read play or an RPO play. They are indistinguishable.
Hence, a mobile Qb keeps the defense honest and keeps them from diagnosing as quickly.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:28 pm to LSU Fan 90812
No one is arguing you can stack plays off of each
Just that P Bean still does not know the difference of each, and he’s calling people ‘tards’
Just that P Bean still does not know the difference of each, and he’s calling people ‘tards’
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:29 pm to P bean
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The defense has to read whether the QB is going to keep it or hand it off. This freezes the defense.
Again
ZONE READ
This is not an RPO
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:30 pm to P bean
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The defense has to read whether the QB is going to keep it or hand it off. This freezes the defense.
This is not part of all RPOs. It can just be a straight up pass and be an RPO.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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You're talking about the reads the QB has to make.
Because thats literally what distinguishes an RPO from a read option play.
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We're talking about the reads the defense has to make watching the QB.
The defensive reads dont make something an RPO or not.
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