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re: TJ opens up the RPO portion of the offense
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:32 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:32 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Again
ZONE READ
This is not an RPO
To the defense, the beginning of a Zone Read play and an RPO play is borderline indistinguishable.
Which is the whole point.
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Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:34 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
To the defense, the beginning of a Zone Read play and an RPO play is borderline indistinguishable.
It doesnt matter what it looks like to the defense.
If the sky looks green to you, that doesnt mean it is green.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:35 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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To the defense, the beginning of a Zone Read play and an RPO play is borderline indistinguishable.
So that means your allowed to call different plays whatever the hell you want?
The dude literally says: “the QB can hand it off or decide to keep it”
RPO stands for run-pass-option
There isn’t even a pass option in that description
Like wtf
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:38 pm to Nobelium
quote:
People think the o-line magically improved when in reality that's just what happens when the defense has to respect the QB's ability to run
TJ and Brennan are both average runner, or probably below average.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
RPO stands for run-pass-option
There isn’t even a pass option in that description
Like wtf
This is thread of the year so far this football season.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:41 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:
It doesnt matter what it looks like to the defense.
If the sky looks green to you, that doesnt mean it is green.
okay, now you're being ridiculous.
The point of a good offense is to disguise the intention of the play.
OP's whole point is that having TJ back there creates a variability that keeps defenses from diagnosing their run pass reads quickly.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:42 pm to TigerLunatik
This is a MadKing-like dig in. 8 pages of calling people names when you’re dead wrong
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:43 pm to P bean
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It did not, it had everything to do with the fact that we had a QB in there they can actually run the ball effectively.
First drive of the game:
1st & 10 at LSU 25
(14:51 - 1st) John Emery Jr. run for 4 yds to the LSU 29
2nd & 6 at LSU 29
(14:23 - 1st) TJ Finley pass complete to Arik Gilbert for 6 yds to the LSU 35 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at LSU 35
(13:56 - 1st) John Emery Jr. run for 8 yds to the LSU 43
2nd & 2 at LSU 43
(13:22 - 1st) John Emery Jr. run for 14 yds to the SCaro 43 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 43
(12:53 - 1st) TJ Finley pass complete to Terrace Marshall Jr. for 6 yds to the SCaro 37
2nd & 4 at SC 37
(12:18 - 1st) John Emery Jr. run for 9 yds to the SCaro 28 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 28
(11:54 - 1st) TJ Finley run for no gain to the SCaro 28
2nd & 10 at SC 28
(11:20 - 1st) TJ Finley pass complete to Terrace Marshall Jr. for 7 yds to the SCaro 21
3rd & 3 at SC 21
(10:56 - 1st) Tyrion Davis-Price run for 2 yds to the SCaro 19
4th & 1 at SC 19
(10:37 - 1st) TJ Finley run for 2 yds to the SCaro 17 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at SC 17
(10:05 - 1st) Tyrion Davis-Price run for 5 yds to the SCaro 12
2nd & 5 at SC 12
(9:31 - 1st) Tyrion Davis-Price run for 4 yds to the SCaro 8
3rd & 1 at SC 8
(8:59 - 1st) Tyrion Davis-Price run for 1 yd to the SCaro 7 for a 1ST down
1st & Goal at SC 7
(8:36 - 1st) TJ Finley run for 5 yds to the SCaro 2
2nd & Goal at SC 2
(8:20 - 1st) Tyrion Davis-Price run for 1 yd to the SCaro 1
3rd & Goal at SC 1
(7:57 - 1st) SOUTH CAROLINA Penalty, Defensive Offside ( Yards) to the SCaro 1
3rd & Goal at SC 1
(7:45 - 1st) SOUTH CAROLINA Penalty, Defensive Offside ( Yards) to the SCaro 1
3rd & Goal at SC 1
(7:34 - 1st) TJ Finley run for 1 yd for a TD, (Cade York KICK)
As we can all see, the running game was overpowering without ANY contribution from the QB.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
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So that means your allowed to call different plays whatever the hell you want?
No. The point is that what you in hindsight are calling a Zone Read play, in real time, presents a difficult diagnosis for the defense between ZONE READ PLAY or RPO play, which prevents them from immediately reading where to react on the run, and then the pass with potential to scramble.
Hence, TJ (and his better mobility than Brennan) and Burrow (eyes for the sticks and escapability) unlock and open up the RPO portion of the offense.
When the defense has to defend against multiple types of runs, rather than just sitting on the RB and then immediately dropping back into pass coverage, it creates space for the route runners in the RPO.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
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The dude literally says: “the QB can hand it off or decide to keep it” RPO stands for run-pass-option
No I didnt, now your quoting bits and peices to support your argument.
quote:
QB either hands it or keeps it (RUN) QB passes it (PASS) Run does not mean “hand it to the back” only. Run could be a sweep to a WR, a handoff to a back, or a QB run. Meet me at sonic if you think otherwise.
Your a retard Earl.
RPO means its a run or pass play obviously.
Mobile quarterbacks have the threat of the QB run. Simple.
A mobile QB can either hand it or run it (run play) or pass it. Simple.
Obviously, Brees isnt running it so that doesnt exist in our offense with Drew.
You must think that EVERYTIME the qb fakes an hand off and runs that it was a zone read/read option - but its not. If the wr’s are running pass routes it was an RPO. Which is what LSU does. LOL why are you so dumb????
If the qb fakes a handoff and runs it but the wr’s are running pass it was an RPO.
If the qb completes a pass but the OLine fired off like it was a run play it was an RPO.
Its really not hard.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:53 pm to P bean
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If the qb fakes a handoff and runs it but the wr’s are running pass it was an RPO.
If the qb completes a pass but the OLine fired off like it was a run play it was an RPO.
Its really not hard.
Completely false.
The difference in an RPO or read option is totally based on who the quarterback is reading, not what the receivers are doing.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:54 pm to P bean
You have no clue what you are saying even after 9 pages
And no one uses the word retard anymore. It’s offensive
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:54 pm to P bean
I'm just gonna pause this and say, by the way, you two would really get along in real life.
I know that doesn't seem possible on the internet, but you'd actually totally like watching the Saints together.
I know that doesn't seem possible on the internet, but you'd actually totally like watching the Saints together.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:54 pm to P bean
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A mobile QB can either hand it or run it (run play) or pass it. Simple.
That's not how an RPO is designed for the thousandth time in this thread. The QB hands it off or throws it. The QB run isn't a part of the play unless it's a broken play like a QB scramble.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:54 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
okay, now you're being ridiculous. ?
The point of a good offense is to disguise the intention of the play.
OP's whole point is that having TJ back there creates a variability that keeps defenses from diagnosing their run pass reads quick
I get that but he incorrectly labeled read options as RPOs and continues to double down on that.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:57 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Hence, TJ (and his better mobility than Brennan)
There is no evidence that Finley is any more mobile than Brennan, we just havent seen playcalling for Brennan like we did for Finley.
Brennan was much more of a running threat in high school.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:59 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I get that but he incorrectly labeled read options as RPOs and continues to double down on that.
y'all are fixated on what the play is labeled post facto rather than the threats facing the defense. I think the greater point of the OP remains that the ability to run a ZONE READ play opens up the RPO parts of the offense.
And that TJ and his ability to do same, softened up the short passing routes that seemed to be jumped and jammed when Brennan was in.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 12:59 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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It's not that difficult guys. Variability and multiple reads for the defense to make that create valuable space. Brennan is more boom or bust, and his lack of dimension makes for the WRs to have to beat their men outright (which they're capable of doing). This is why we've had trouble converting third downs and definitely third and longs. The defense drops back knowing that they only have to defend the pass.
Unless you are in 3rd and 1-3 yards, Finley doesn’t do you a damn bit of good here. He’s not fast enough to pick up 3rd and longer vs man coverage. You are just trading one limitation for another here.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:00 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Brennan was much more of a running threat in high school.
If true, then what we saw playcalling wise first half of MSU was egregious.
And secondly, it's possible, but that thirty pounds has throttled his escapability. I have never been so sure when I saw a D Lineman approaching that my QB was going down.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:02 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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y'all are fixated on what the play is labeled post facto rather than the threats facing the defense.
Labels are pretty important, Chief
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