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re: TJ opens up the RPO portion of the offense
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:02 pm to misey94
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:02 pm to misey94
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Unless you are in 3rd and 1-3 yards, Finley doesn’t do you a damn bit of good here. He’s not fast enough to pick up 3rd and longer vs man coverage. You are just trading one limitation for another here.
I'd agree with this-- but 3 and short is common and so important, and is often the difference between keeping the defense off of the field and keeping possession, or putting our very green defense back out there.
It's also vital in the red zone.
So I'm just saying, that variability totally matters.
Didn't we lead the country in 3rd down efficiency last year or damn near it?
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Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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but 3 and short is common
It hasnt been for LSU this season due to the lack of a run game
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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I'd agree with this-- but 3 and short is common and so important, and is often the difference between keeping the defense off of the field and keeping possession, or putting our very green defense back out there. It's also vital in the red zone. So I'm just saying, that variability totally matters. Didn't we lead the country in 3rd down efficiency last year or damn near it?
Then play Finley in short and goal line. But why trade Brennan’s proven deep ball and ability to carry the offense with his arm when needed for one advantage when you can just use him in a package in those situations to get that?
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to TigerLunatik
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The QB run isn't a part of the play unless it's a broken play like a QB scramble.
So a play where the QB keeps it, then passes if a CB gets caught looking is impossible to design?
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to TigerLunatik
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That's not how an RPO is designed for the thousandth time in this thread.
He’s just doing it for comedy now.
Repeatedly failing when one thinks they’re the only smart guy in the room is embarrassing and hilarious.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:06 pm to The Levee
So wouldn't that mean the the triple option is essentially a type or RPO? I'm supposed we don't see the triple option in the spread more often. When the triple option is working right it's such a beautiful thing.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:07 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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So a play where the QB keeps it, then passes if a CB gets caught looking is impossible to design?
Why would a quarterback read a corner to decide if he's going to run or not?
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:07 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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y'all are fixated on what the play is labeled
Because the name of the play is relevant when you try & push a false narrative like:
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but TJ allows us to run the RPO
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:07 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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So a play where the QB keeps it, then passes if a CB gets caught looking is impossible to design?
Do you think this is common at all or something?
That's specialty stuff rarely run by anyone.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:08 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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So a play where the QB keeps it, then passes if a CB gets caught looking is impossible to design?
No. But, those are very few and far between and for the purposes of this discussion LSU doesn't run that. That's more of Malzahn with Nick Marshall.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:09 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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So a play where the QB keeps it, then passes if a CB gets caught looking is impossible to design?
A QB running out of an RPO is such a very small percentage of the variation that it is not even worth talking about
They certainly aren’t sending TJ Finley to the line & letting him have 3 different decisions on a post snap RPO play. Zero chance of that
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:11 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Finley's play fakes were really good.
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:15 pm to Lester Earl
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but TJ allows us to run the RPO
Because the narrative you're pushing he's saying, is that "it takes a mobile quarterback to run the RPO."
and what he's saying is,
"a mobile quarterback opens up the RPO plays"
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:16 pm to TigerLunatik
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No. But, those are very few and far between and for the purposes of this discussion LSU doesn't run that. That's more of Malzahn with Nick Marshall.
Burrow did it more than a few times last year. The one I'm remembering in particular, started off looking like a Zone Read draw, then had him stop and find someone deep on a post. The point is that all of this is about disguising and fooling a defense. Which doesn't work if your qb isn't a threat to run.
Also, Taysom Hill does this at least once a game. They don't run the same play with Drew Brees
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:17 pm to misey94
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Then play Finley in short and goal line. But why trade Brennan’s proven deep ball and ability to carry the offense with his arm when needed for one advantage when you can just use him in a package in those situations to get that?
maybe this is what they'll do.
I don't know if Finley can throw the ball down the field.
I also really don't think y'all are acknowledging how bad Brennan has been on 3rd down, and how many times Burrow converted 3rd and long with his feet directly, or by buying enough time for people to get open.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:17 pm to P bean
It’s fricking wild how so many people on this board don’t understand what it means to have a “mobile QB”
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:20 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Because the narrative you're pushing he's saying, is that "it takes a mobile quarterback to run the RPO."
He is very clearly talking about the zone read not an rpo. He just doesn’t know the difference
Read the post. You’re killing brain cells trying to rationalize this lol
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:24 pm to Lester Earl
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He is very clearly talking about the zone read not an rpo. He just doesn’t know the difference
yes he does. I'm literally talking to him.
A zone read play looks indistinguishable to the defense as an RPO until the ball is in the hands of the QB ready to pass instead of dive through the LOS.
His point is that if the ZR plays are a threat, if the QB can take off or scramble, it softens the defense to the PASS part of the RPO. Which then makes the ZONE READ plays more effective again.
Zone read concepts work within RPO philosophies. All offenses are multiple. The plays change but look the same. It's the whole point.
Running ten different plays that look exactly the same with the same personnel groupings so no one knows what you're doing, rather than ten different formations that immediately key the defense.
it's akin to a pitcher hiding his pitch til the very last second, or his slider having the exact same rotation as his fastball.
OP is just saying Finley's better mobility keeps the defense guessing.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:28 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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yes he does. I'm literally talking to him
No he doesn’t
His posts literally say he doesn’t
Even after 11 pages
I get what you are saying, I do. He still does not know the difference
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:29 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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His point is that if the ZR plays are a threat, if the QB can take off or scramble, it softens the defense to the PASS part of the RPO. Which then makes the ZONE READ plays more effective again.
He should actually say that then.
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