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jeff70121
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Why not 10, 12, 14? Everybody knew when a 4 team format was announced it wouldn't satisfy everybody, especially #5. Let's say you get 8, people are still going to argue why #9 didn't get in. 4 is plenty and it has to stop some where. Give #5 a participation trophy.


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TouchdownTony
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
U can't have 8-5 teams make the cfp because they played in a weak arse division.

The ONLY way u can have auto bids for conference champs is to either dump championship games and have the conference's play round robin or take the two best conference teams regardless of division.
When the sec adapted the conference championship all conferences were tied to bowls. Now without bowl tie ins conference championship games are outdated.


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SouthernInsanity
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
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Unless you have a stipulation in your contract that rewards you for having 10 total wins in a season. 


CEO got 100k+ as a bonus for making a bowl game. Not sure if it was based on NY6 bowl but still.


SouthernInsanity
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Question... if it's an exhibition game, then why count the win or the loss? If UCF wins, the torches will be lit and the crowds will storm into campus, calling for everyone to be fired. That's how much of an exhibition game this is.


AeroFan
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
12 Teams. 4 highest ranked conference champions get a first game bye. Remaining 8 teams play first round. Then it's 8 teams left for the second round.

Get rid of one of the regular seasons games if you need to. This system rewards conference champions, and reduces the number of additional playoff games that they need to play.


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LsuNav
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
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5 automatic conference winners and 3 wildcards


Only if you get rid of the conference championship games. There is always a chance that a lesser team can beat a playoff contender in a championship game.


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Datbayoubengal
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Had LSU beaten TAMU, we would be in a hypothetical 8 game playoff.


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Metaloctopus
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
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An 8 team playoff makes too much sense. We really need to do it. Anyone know about the current contract and when this could possibly get done?



How does it make perfect sense, though? People said for years "just give me a plus one, that's all I ask". They got it, and now they hate it. If you expand to 8, people will want 16. It never ends. People are never satisfied.

But, unfortunately, that's just too bad. There are too many teams in college football to have a "fair" system. The only way to be fair is for everyone to play the same, or at least similar schedules, and have the best records decide who goes. You can do that in the pros, with a limited number of teams. You can't do it in college, and so there is no "fix" to the perceived problem, other than your conference has to improve if you want your conference titles to mean anything.


SammyTiger
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
There is an arguement for 8 and not 16

The fact that we have 5 major conference, little inter conference play, an entire G5 and only 4 spots means we have to pick between conference champs with the same record on eyeball test alone.

Not to mention the playoff was there to May reward a team in a tough conference who maybe played one of the other best teams in the country.

8 team playoff.

Conference champs get in.

3 at large. 1 is the top ranked G5 team if they’re in the top 10.

Ditch the committee

Go back to the BCS formula.

Works pretty much perfectly.

If you think you should be in: win your conference.


Chet Donnely
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Or even just 6. 5 champs plus one. 1 and 2 get a bye.

Got to do something so that conference championships make sense again.


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Metaloctopus
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
I'm having a little difficulty deciphering what you're trying to say, but if I understand it correctly, you believe conference champions deserve deference.

That very opinion is what I take issue with. All conferences are not created equal. We know that. In college, however, many conferences aren't even CLOSE to being equal. Winning a terrible conference should not get you in. Pittsburgh and Northwestern were playing for power 5 championships this past weekend. Do they deserve consideration? I say absolutely NOT.

Now, going with your stipulation, the argument against that is "hey, you gotta win your conference, so if you don't, that's on you"... Well, that may sound fine and dandy, in theory, but that would be ignoring the glaring problem that conferences vary greatly in strength, and they don't play each other but for a game here and there. That is the reality of it. And with that in mind, the eye test is all you get, and people will always complain about "conference bias" when their team isn't picked.

For the record, I was FOR the BCS system. It was flawed, but unbiased, and gave a reasonable and mostly logical ranking. But people complained that the computers ignored the eye test, and that it's strength of schedule component was somehow rigged.

Again, you can't make everyone happy. Going to 8 just leads to 16, and on and on.
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Metaloctopus
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Louisiana
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
In short, we'd all like conference championships to mean more, but in college they just can't. I care about winning the SEC. It's a huge accomplishment. It's not like it means nothing at all. But look over at the ACC and big Ten, or PAC-12 a lot of years. There isn't much competition.

College football is and has always been it's own entity. Parts of it are mythical in nature, and that can be frustrating, but it also makes the entire season so much more intriguing, in my opinion.


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SammyTiger
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
If you have major conferences, they should mean something. It’s pretty much how every playoff works.

Otherwise we’re just guessing on eyeball test alone.

Look st the NFL, MLB the NCAA tournament. They all have auto bids and sometimes yes: shorty teams get in, but you sees the low and move On. It makes conference championship games and division races that much more interesting. Also very rarely does a bad division winner actually win their conference. It would be a complete rarity.

You can’t complain about conference bias when you’re conference gets an auto bid. I think That shuts down most complainers.

If you can’t definitely say you’re one of the best 3 teams to not win your confeeence you don’t have much of a leg to stand on.




Metaloctopus
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Louisiana
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Your argument is ignoring the entire basis of my point, dude. This ISN'T the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL or NCAA basketball tournament.

Again, in the pros you have a very limited number of teams where you can just take the best records in each conference (aside from the division champion being an automatic qualifier). You're dealing with a lot more teams, and the competition is not anything close to equal for even all of the power 5 teams.

And the NCAA basketball and baseball tournaments have auto bids because they have 64 and 68 team fields. You can't do that in football. And, also, who said the auto bids were even a good idea in those tournaments? I hate that are so many crappy teams, and teams with losing records, that get in over teams from real conferences who actually play somebody all year.

You see my point? It fixes nothing. It just muddies up the field and waters down the significance of the regular season.
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LosLobos111
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Make it 6 teams NFL style with first round byes and first rounds on campus

UGA@OU
OSU@ND

For example

Or just go back to the bcs and use it to pick the top 4 and be done with this


Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Expanded playoffs... something needs to be done.

Once upon a time, there were a very few bowls, and those teams that got to go to them did so as a reward for a great season.
"National champion" was a title voted on by the AP and UPI. The teams played to win their conferences, and the various bowls: Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange etc.

Bowls sprouted everywhere, coaches liked them because you got to practice an additional month; good teams got better.
The media got overinvolved, and finally forced the BCS on us. Suddenly, teams played for "the Title", not to go to/win a specific bowl. Note- the very best USC, Ohio State and Michigan teams would never play the best Alabama or Oklahoma teams, because one group would be at the Rose, the other at the Sugar, Orange, Cotton etc.

From that moment on, if you didn't make the "elite" game(s), you were second class.

At that point, honestly, you had killed the bowl system. Winning the Cotton Bowl ceased to be anyone's goal, same for the Rose, Sugar and all the rest. The main reason they remain now is to satisfy the coaches and ADs, to continue practicing an additional month so your program is in better shape next year.

Now, players are increasingly skipping bowls, just as they skip their senior seasons. The games don't mean anything anymore, why risk it? Fans are also fading; smaller programs are still happy to get in, but the bigger programs don't buy into the "New Year's 6" jargon. If it's not The Playoffs, it's not relevant. I've seen recent Orange Bowls half empty, something inconceivable 20 years ago.

It's time to put an end to the charade. They wanted playoffs, so go ahead and give us a real playoff system. The current one is too small, it's destroying major conferences. We in the SEC might not have a lot of sympathy for the Pac 12, but if this had happened in the 90's, it would be the SEC champs being left out all the time. It's blind luck that we were prospering during the change.
Just as top recruits used to file to the bigger conferences in the past to get their shot at winning, that's going to continue. People aren't going to want to go to the Pac 12, or somewhere else like that, if they get an offer from an SEC team and have a greater chance to get into the playoffs that way. More teams in= more teams that can recruit, giving us better overall competition and games.


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boxcar willie
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kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
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unless your playing in the CFP, aren't all bowl games exhibiitons?


no, they determine your final poll ranking and are thus very important games. Also, the coaches, players, fans, and media don't treat them like exhibition games or they wouldn't react the way they do with each bowl win or bowl loss nor would the polls.


boxcar willie
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Saints fans, media, coaches or players don't give much of a shite if the saints lose or win a preseason game. Now those are glorified exhibition games. Those games also dont' count for anything where as college bowl games count plenty and go a long way in determining how a season is viewed.
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boxcar willie
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
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Make it 6 teams NFL style with first round byes and first rounds on campus

if you are going to make it 6 then make it 8. going from 6 to 8 doesn't add any length to the season and gets 2 more teams involved. No sense at all in doing 6. There is no point of giving 2 teams byes anyway. Having 8 teams means you could have 4 huge games on the first weekend of the playoffs and have 8 fan bases pumped up about it


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boxcar willie
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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
you can't make conference champ auto qualifiers without first balancing out the conferences. It is not the same accomplishment being the big 12 champ as being the sec champ. 2nd and 3rd place in the SEC is tougher to achieve than being big 12 or ACC champ. Clemson played PITTSBURG FOR ITS CHAMP GAME AND Oklahoma PLAYED A CRAPPY TEXAS TEAM.


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