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re: Thoughts about speed at WR
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:56 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:56 am to BayouCowboy
quote:As a senior in high school, Thomas ran an 11.08 100m dash and 23.58 200 meter dash
Zavion was clocked at an LSU camp with a 4.32 40
Hilton ran a 10.85 100m and 21.33 200m
Watkins ran a 10.02 (!!!!) 100m and a 20.39 200m
Thomas is great, but track speed is different.
quote:I agree with this as well. He's a great route runner, but he doesn't have the top end speed he did coming out. Honestly, I don't think he's as shift as he was either. He was just so agile that even after the injury, he can still route anyone up, especially on squirrel routes. He had two against Arkansas where the defender had zero shot.
Anderson seems to be a bit slower than he was coming out of HS and post injury, but he's night and day better than last season. He had one play vs Ole Miss where he caught a pass beyond the defender and had 2-3 steps and was run down. I don't think pre-injury Anderson would have been caught.
This post was edited on 10/25/24 at 10:59 am
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Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:05 am to PP7 for heisman
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Thomas is great, but track speed is different.
There's no doubt that some players run faster in pads than others. Honestly I didn't think Zavion was that fast until I looked it up. He seems more like a shifty guy that can work intermediate and over the middle routes. Hilton is a bit taller and probably was faster on the field (pre-injury).
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:07 am to Islandboy777
Here is a snippit of what CH brings to the table and where I first saw him. #1 West Monroe vs #7 Zachary for 5A State championship 5 yrs ago. He was a HS Soph in that game and when the first player rankings came out after that season he was way up there.
https://youtu.be/bLFFq9D490w?si=2oL8odMl4N93M8Hy
Go to 3:45 mark for TD1
Go to 6:45 mark for TD2
https://youtu.be/bLFFq9D490w?si=2oL8odMl4N93M8Hy
Go to 3:45 mark for TD1
Go to 6:45 mark for TD2
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:16 am to BayouCowboy
I'm so proud of all our wrs
All are stepping up and giving tons of effort.
This team is playing above the cumulative talent.
All are stepping up and giving tons of effort.
This team is playing above the cumulative talent.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:32 am to Hurricane2020
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All his accurate deep balls are dropped from pass interference. It's weird. But his adjusted deep ball accuracy is as good as anyone in college football.
Is it? Where does one find that stat?
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:37 am to LSBoosie
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He's asking a question about a true freshman that none of us have seen play. I don't know what kind of answer he is looking for.
You don’t need to see him play to know he has all star speed, numb nuts.
The question was fair.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:45 am to OJsLifeCoach
It’s insane that in 2024 people don’t understand that playing WR isn’t about just running fast in a straight line.
Nyck Harbor at SC ran a 10.11 100 and has less than 400 yards receiving in 2 years. It isn’t difficult at all to defend if all you can do is run straight.
Nyck Harbor at SC ran a 10.11 100 and has less than 400 yards receiving in 2 years. It isn’t difficult at all to defend if all you can do is run straight.
This post was edited on 10/25/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:50 am to PP7 for heisman
quote:I guess, the way the ball has been spread around (no single dominant target), they're keeping guys on the field they think can catch, and want Nuss to use everyone.quote:
why not run Watkins on a few routes? Legit track speed. Yes a freshman, but he can run a simple route every now and again?
I've been saying this all year. Just use him as a decoy if you have to.
*Thomas has dropped a few that would have been big (scores), but he's continuing to be targeted and make catches.
if you bring in a freshman just to have him sprint deep, maybe the defense actually is more likely to clamp down on the other guys on the field.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:52 am to Not Cooper
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It’s insane that in 2024 people don’t understand that playing WR isn’t about just running fast in a straight line.
Yeah it’s weird. It’s like we know he doesn’t just run in a straight line since he was recruited as a receiver.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:56 am to GetmorewithLes
I personally have never seen Hilton do anything special at the Collegiate level. I suspect he is an above average WR. I dont understand where the hype of him being this game changer superstar athlete that can just out run every DB in the league. He has 22 receptions for 415 yrds and 3 TDs in three seasons. I hope he plays and contributes to the teams performance against the Ags. I think he will just be another 6ft 190lb fast WR out there. I for one would rather them get Green and Pimpton more involved in the game. They have natural gifts the DBs cant guard. Everyone in the SEC has fast WRs
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:57 am to LSBoosie
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None of us have seen Watkins play.
Surely there’s a fast / twitchy release human on this roster, listed as WR or not. Make sure they can catch a football & put in two plays lol.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:15 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Fact is we gotta keep pushing with the run game or else our offense will not reach its full potential. We did not see much two high last year with JD5’s run threat.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:22 pm to nwallb9
Everyone loves what Durham is doing. It’s just that we, LSU, and everyone LSU plays knows that stretching the field is our only weakness on offense.
Nuss distributing the ball evenly has helped to offset that, but rotating in a burner would probably help.
Nuss distributing the ball evenly has helped to offset that, but rotating in a burner would probably help.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 12:56 pm to OJsLifeCoach
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You don’t need to see him play to know he has all star speed, numb nuts.
The question was fair.
We know he's fast. We also know that there are other players on the roster that are fast. There have been a lot of guys on LSU's roster that have been fast but not gotten on the field as a WR. Obviously there is a reason that he isn't getting PT that has nothing to do with speed.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 1:00 pm to BayouCowboy
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Nuss will overthrow them
You guys can be mad all you want about the comment above, but he is dead on with that comment.
Same also with the Fade pass to the endzone. Throws it out of bounds everytime.
With all that being stated. I still think Nuss is awesome.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 1:03 pm to FiveStarMan
I have never thought the speed guy is impactful as some, most SEC DBs can disrupt them fine. Now a receiver w elite speed. Yes that is a weapon. But an undeveloped speed guy isn’t that impactful. I’d rather Thomas and Anderson work their arse over on the short stuff.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 1:04 pm to BayouCowboy
I think Aaron Anderson hit 4.32 at one time as well.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 1:59 pm to Magnus
quote:That was by design for the way Arkansas tried to play.
it was curl/out route city against arky. don't have over the top speed
Posted on 10/25/24 at 2:01 pm to Lester Earl
quote:That's the same thing I said.
Nah, he’s going to connect with him and everyone is gonna act like it was a WR problem
Posted on 10/25/24 at 4:20 pm to mdomingue
It's one of those stats that isn't regularly tracked or publicly available. For example PFF will occasionally release a list of highest accuracy on passes over 20yds, which are considered deep balls.
Just to give some context. The greatest deep ball passer in college football history is some guy you probably heard of... what's his name... OH! It was Jayden Daniels in 2023. He completed 67% of his deep balls at LSU in the 2023 season, thats the highest rate in history. 67% is a great completion percentage by itself, but on deep passes, thats just mind boggling. PFF scores on a 0-100 point grading system with 90 points being the most elite of elite players to every put on a jersey, and 100 meaning you are perfect and literal football God himself. Jayden Daniels has a 99.7 deep ball passer rating... he was perfect.
I say this for perspective, we just watched the greatest deep ball throwing QB in history, and that's not hyperbole. So naturally our brains compare Nuss to Daniels. And Nuss is good, sitting around 35-40% deepball accuracy, which again is a good rate. But our brains are spoiled from Jayden.
Just to give some context. The greatest deep ball passer in college football history is some guy you probably heard of... what's his name... OH! It was Jayden Daniels in 2023. He completed 67% of his deep balls at LSU in the 2023 season, thats the highest rate in history. 67% is a great completion percentage by itself, but on deep passes, thats just mind boggling. PFF scores on a 0-100 point grading system with 90 points being the most elite of elite players to every put on a jersey, and 100 meaning you are perfect and literal football God himself. Jayden Daniels has a 99.7 deep ball passer rating... he was perfect.
I say this for perspective, we just watched the greatest deep ball throwing QB in history, and that's not hyperbole. So naturally our brains compare Nuss to Daniels. And Nuss is good, sitting around 35-40% deepball accuracy, which again is a good rate. But our brains are spoiled from Jayden.
This post was edited on 10/25/24 at 4:24 pm
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