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This is why a 12-team playoff favors LSU more than others
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:57 pm
Before anyone misses my point entirely and says something like "No shite, obviously letting more teams in the playoffs mean shittier teams will make it in".
The committee / AP pollsters obviously *generally* look highly upon our program.
When we lost to FSU, we were the highest ranked 1 loss team. (AP)
When we lost to Ole Miss, we were the highest ranked 2 loss team. (AP) and highest ranked 2 loss team going into the game. (CFP)
When we lost to Alabama, we are now the highest ranked 3 loss team not even two weeks later. (CFP).
The 12-team playoff does give an edge to *good* teams that are often bottle-necked from entering their respective conference championships because of super tough games within their division. Think Alabama for LSU, OSU for Michigan/Penn St., Clemson/FSU for each other (depending on the year). No matter how many games LSU wins, if they don't beat Alabama, they likely aren't in the SEC championship and are therefore likely left out of the 4-team CFP (this is a hypothetical I realize it hasn't perfectly shaken out this way before, but yes I realize a 1-loss SEC non-champion would always have a good case, but my point is that in a 4-team playoff, it's not guaranteed.)
For the OSUs-Georgia-Alabama's of the world, yes, the 12-team may not make a difference, but for some of us fringe teams, it's a massive difference, and virtually guarantees we'll have a fighting chance to make it even with 3 losses in some cases. Hell, if there was a 12-team playoff this year, we'd have an okay chance at making it if some people were to lose in front of us.
Will keep the season truly exciting even post some week 1 or Alabama losses
Edit: In before, "bro just don't lose 3 games a year" or "bro just don't lose to Alabama" Wow, great objection, I hadn't thought of that one
The committee / AP pollsters obviously *generally* look highly upon our program.
When we lost to FSU, we were the highest ranked 1 loss team. (AP)
When we lost to Ole Miss, we were the highest ranked 2 loss team. (AP) and highest ranked 2 loss team going into the game. (CFP)
When we lost to Alabama, we are now the highest ranked 3 loss team not even two weeks later. (CFP).
The 12-team playoff does give an edge to *good* teams that are often bottle-necked from entering their respective conference championships because of super tough games within their division. Think Alabama for LSU, OSU for Michigan/Penn St., Clemson/FSU for each other (depending on the year). No matter how many games LSU wins, if they don't beat Alabama, they likely aren't in the SEC championship and are therefore likely left out of the 4-team CFP (this is a hypothetical I realize it hasn't perfectly shaken out this way before, but yes I realize a 1-loss SEC non-champion would always have a good case, but my point is that in a 4-team playoff, it's not guaranteed.)
For the OSUs-Georgia-Alabama's of the world, yes, the 12-team may not make a difference, but for some of us fringe teams, it's a massive difference, and virtually guarantees we'll have a fighting chance to make it even with 3 losses in some cases. Hell, if there was a 12-team playoff this year, we'd have an okay chance at making it if some people were to lose in front of us.
Will keep the season truly exciting even post some week 1 or Alabama losses
Edit: In before, "bro just don't lose 3 games a year" or "bro just don't lose to Alabama" Wow, great objection, I hadn't thought of that one
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:58 pm
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:58 pm to JonathanSidwell
I cannot wait for the 12 team playoff next year. Those on-campus opening round matchups are going to be incredible.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:01 pm to JonathanSidwell
Youre right
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:04 pm to biglego
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Youre right
Yet I will be downvoted into oblivion. Sick.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:07 pm to JonathanSidwell
LSU would be no lock to make a 12 team playoff this year
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:09 pm to sunnydaze
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LSU would be no lock to make a 12 team playoff this year
I literally never said this. What are you talking about?
My point is that EVEN this year (a year where we have 3 losses), we'd have a fighting chance to make it being ranked #15 with two weeks left. I never said it was a lock.
This is such an absurd comment and you obviously didn't read my post.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:11 pm to JonathanSidwell
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Yet I will be downvoted into oblivion
Dude...if you are in this for up votes, you are doing it wrong! Haha
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:12 pm to JonathanSidwell
I really don’t understand why people think that a 12 team playoff will solve anything. It won’t. The NCAA basketball tournament includes 64 teams. And every year the team that thinks they were probably the number 65 teams kicks and screams they were cheated.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:13 pm to JonathanSidwell
Just an absurd response that shows zero proof you actually read the post
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:13 pm to JonathanSidwell
You are trying too hard bro.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:19 pm to TigerLifer
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I really don’t understand why people think that a 12 team playoff will solve anything.
This is another topic entirely. Think it's less about solving things and more about creating more meaningful, fun games in December. Mid-December on campus playoff games will be awesome. But I do think it benefits team that have always seemed to be on the fringes of the playoff since 2014 (LSU, Penn St, Michigan, FSU)
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:21 pm to TigerLifer
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I really don’t understand why people think that a 12 team playoff will solve anything. It won’t. The NCAA basketball tournament includes 64 teams. And every year the team that thinks they were probably the number 65 teams kicks and screams they were cheated.
There are tons of reasons to like the 12 team playoff.
1) More big time matchups to end the season.
2) In an era of neutral site games, we get more premier, on-campus matchups.
3) Your team has a better shot to get hot late and make a run rather than being out of it by October.
4) Regular season still matters because you’re playing for byes and home field advantage.
5) Less opportunity for the REC to hose us out of playoff contention.
6) Teams who improve throughout the year still have a fighting chance to make the playoffs.
7) More meaningful games in November.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:21 pm to TigerLifer
Cheating #65 is more understandable than cheating #5.
With 12 teams, at least the top 10 is secure.
With 12 teams, at least the top 10 is secure.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:26 pm to JonathanSidwell
It's a good point; LSU is usually what you'd call 'first among equals'.
The problem is, conference expansion is going to screw a bunch of teams. SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma, Big 10 adding the power teams from the Pac 12; they're going to beat each other up, and teams like Fla State or Clemson will probably still cruise through the ACC. If they're both good, they're both gonna make it, because the worse of the 2 will likely have 1-2 losses, and will be an at-large. Oregon or Texas might be able to beat them (or LSU), but may have 3 losses.
And don't forget, it isn't Top 12, it's top 6 conference champs, and 6 at-large teams. Good chance a 2 loss power team will be left out for the Sun Belt champ that they'd kill 99 times out of 100.
The problem is, conference expansion is going to screw a bunch of teams. SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma, Big 10 adding the power teams from the Pac 12; they're going to beat each other up, and teams like Fla State or Clemson will probably still cruise through the ACC. If they're both good, they're both gonna make it, because the worse of the 2 will likely have 1-2 losses, and will be an at-large. Oregon or Texas might be able to beat them (or LSU), but may have 3 losses.
And don't forget, it isn't Top 12, it's top 6 conference champs, and 6 at-large teams. Good chance a 2 loss power team will be left out for the Sun Belt champ that they'd kill 99 times out of 100.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:29 pm to bayouboo
That was the argument that was made when they implemented the 4 team playoff. It was supposed to solve everything. Now we are pretending that 12 will solve everything. It won’t. #13 will calling for a 16 team playoff. Can we just stop. Please
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:38 pm to JonathanSidwell
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My point is that EVEN this year (a year where we have 3 losses), we'd have a fighting chance to make it being ranked #15 with two weeks left. I never said it was a lock.
This is exactly why we need an expanded football playoff. At 9-3, and probably 10-2 there is no hope for making playoffs in a 4 team playoff. It’s ridiculous when every other sport (NFL, FCS football, MLB, NBA, college basketball and baseball) has wayyyy more playoff teams.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:41 pm to JonathanSidwell
Always been for this. 12 team playoff gets us in there more years than not. Once you are in anything can happen.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:48 pm to JonathanSidwell
You’re getting downvoted because you wrote 5 paragraphs just to state the obvious
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:09 am to TigerLifer
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That was the argument that was made when they implemented the 4 team playoff. It was supposed to solve everything. Now we are pretending that 12 will solve everything. It won’t. #13 will calling for a 16 team playoff. Can we just stop. Please
As a college football fan, why would anyone NOT want more top 12 matchups to end the season in games that matter towards winning a championship?
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:14 am to JiminyCricket
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As a college football fan, why would anyone NOT want more top 12 matchups to end the season in games that matter towards winning a championship?
Currently after the conference championships there are 3 relevant games. In the new 12 team playoff, there are going to be 11. How can anyone be against having more relevant games that could potentially involve your team?
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