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Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:36 pm to
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:36 pm to
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Simple fix - exempt football at Division I.


SJW's would bitch to no end about that.

"How dare men have that much more scholarships than women?"

I mean, shite, right now we're in the middle of a "How dare John McEnroe say that Serena Williams couldn't beat a men's tennis player" saga.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39313 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:45 pm to
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every male scholarship gets a female scholarship


But the commercial told me genders don't play sports, athletes do. What a joke! #spankemmcenroe
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
141137 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:50 pm to
want to see what Title IX gets?

Texas College is a small NAIA HBCU in Tyler that has football

therefore, b/c of Title IX it has a softball team and... uhh... let's just say that team isn't cared for as much

Jarvis Christian College (TX) 41, Texas College 0
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36041 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:51 pm to
They have enough money to give more kids scholarships, but they imposed limits on themselves to save money to spend on coaching salaries and administration salaries and facilities.

They can't legally control coach's salaries and we see what's happening there. They are out of sight.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98188 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:03 pm to
And killed wrestling and men's gymnastics at LSU. Yes, we had both and were pretty good.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
13085 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:12 pm to
95% of adminstrators and coaches of college baseball teams do NOT want more schollies. That's the main reason we only have 11.7.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20404 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:20 pm to
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And killed wrestling and men's gymnastics at LSU. Yes, we had both and were pretty good.

Weren't we top 4 in both, their final seasons?

Title IX needs some sort of revisiting. Men's sports outside of football and basketball are being destroyed.

Men's lacrosse is a pretty fun sport, and there's potential for growth... if it wasn't hogtied by the rules currently in place. But men's sports aren't going to be allowed to grow, you are lucky to just hang in there.

They've tried to push the gender equality thing with the WNBA, but I'm sorry, that's just not interesting to watch. If it's a sport that anyone can play, I want to see the best athletes play, and those are almost always the men.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:22 pm to
It's not cost - it's competitive limits set by the various organizations, mainly the NCAA.

However, because Title IX says if you give X number of male scholarships, you have to give X number to female.

I'm completely cool with that - IF they exempt football. There is NO comparable female sport, particularly if you consider the revenue, prestige, etc.

Exempt football and you get no arguments from me. That's 85 for frick's sake. After that, if you want to have a male jousting team with 6 scholarship competitors, then by G-d - you have to have a female jousting team with 6 scholarship competitors.
Posted by DirtyMike
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2014
1175 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:22 pm to
ESPN the magazine

Interesting read on Title IX. The argument here is that Title IX is not actually responsible for the scholarship limits. The NCAA is who put the limits in effect to protect the sports that make them the most money.
Posted by CPT Tiger
My own personal Hell
Member since Oct 2009
1321 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:41 pm to
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So every female bench player at every school is on full ride. Male athletes are often paying their own way or getting a partial scholarship


Not true. My Niece played softball for LSU and did not get a full ride so this is in fact false.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7178 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:45 pm to
The US becomes a second tier world power in soccer within ten years if you could have soccer schollies for men.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:52 pm to
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Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36041 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:15 am to
quote:


Interesting read on Title IX. The argument here is that Title IX is not actually responsible for the scholarship limits. The NCAA is who put the limits in effect to protect the sports that make them the most money.



That's exactly what I've been trying to say here. Title IX is an excuse, the NCAA is just trying to save money for the schools.

Without scholarship limitations more kids(men and women ) could get scholarships but they can't because of the self imposed cap the schools put on themselves.
Posted by 9th Green At 9
From where they make gumbo at
Member since Jul 2015
2928 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:42 am to
Chris Reid is 0.0
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:37 am to
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the NCAA is just trying to save money for the schools.


This is a gross misrepresentation of the issue. The only reason there are scholarship limits is for competitive balance - the NCAA's version of the draft. Power 5 teams would have 120 scholarship players, and you wouldn't have 18 or 20 legitimate contender teams (with a dozen or so others with an outside chance), you'd have 6. Great for those 6, but that would lock out 95% of member institutions at the highest division.


Seriously - exempt football and this problem largely goes away.


Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89531 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:38 am to
In a perverse way, the whole transgender nonsense may provide the perfect opportunity to revisit this and offer a narrow window to fix it.

I doubt that will happen, but the opportunity might be there and this could be the catalyst.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
23048 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:49 am to
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I get why we needed title ix, but do you guys seriously think if baseball was allowed more scholarships, LSU would just start scrapping women's programs? I think there would be a huge backlash.



LSU could afford 100 baseball scholarships. The NCAA steps in with their 11.7 limit because somehow they've deemed this sufficient and levels the playing field for teams across the country. The vast majority of baseball programs lose money.

I'm sure most universities would gladly kick a few more female athletic scholarships in the pot if it meant baseball could raise their scholarship limit by a few.

What kills the AD budget with women's sports is the facilities, travel, and coaching costs. Not scholarships.

Posted by irnfan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2013
1442 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:56 am to
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[Title IX] successfully killed men's college soccer in the US.
(yes, I realize that none of yall care )
And college wrestling in the SEC, and I realize not many care about that as well.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36041 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:02 am to
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This is a gross misrepresentation of the issue.


Not really.
quote:

The only reason there are scholarship limits is for competitive balance


Not really, we have the same scholarship limit as USL. Is there a competitive balance? No its not. LSU is far superior to USL in every way except in scholarship numbers.

And do we schedule schools from lower divisions? We certainly do because they come to Tiger Stadium and we don't have to pay them as much. These schools have a limit of something like 50 scholarships. If we were interested in competitive balance, why do we play them? Its because of an easy W and the money.

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Power 5 teams would have 120 scholarship players, and you wouldn't have 18 or 20 legitimate contender teams (with a dozen or so others with an outside chance), you'd have 6. Great for those 6, but that would lock out 95% of member institutions at the highest division.


So you think all 100+ D 1 teams are on equal footing and have a chance? I don't. Despite having 85 scholarships most D1 teams have no shot at the playoffs.

Scholarship limits were placed years ago to save money. That's the main reason, anything else they tell you is BS.

If you look back to when scholarships were capped for each sport, it coincides with the passage and then the full implementation of Title IX. Prior to that time there were no scholarship caps. The schools weren't worried about balancing the playing field, they were worried about finances.

If LSU and the SEC wanted, we could start new sports at the varsity level, but we do not because it costs money. It's not because of Title IX unless of course you believe universities should only give scholarships to sports that turn a profit, and if that's the case LSU would have a hard time finding baseball opponents because for 99% of the schools baseball loses money. We'd just have basketball and football.

I think what the big schools are doing is wrong. Instead of sharing the wealth due to the recent boom in TV money and letting more kids (men and women) participate and get scholarships; they have enriched coaches and administrators and built extravagant facilities.



Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36041 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:12 am to
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What kills the AD budget with women's sports is the facilities, travel, and coaching costs. Not scholarships.


What kills the budget is all the travel, men's and women's even though they are money losers.

Is it OK for the men's golf team to travel all over to tournaments and not the women?

And look at what coaches make in sports that don't make money. Should the WBB coach get 900K? Her sport loses 3 million a season. It's crazy.

Athletic Departments make rules to limit spending because they can't control themselves. These teams travel all over, they have large coaching and administrative staffs, and extravagant facilities.

It's crazy.
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