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re: This coming year will be Orgeron’s ceiling
Posted on 5/30/19 at 6:24 pm to 4EverATiger12345
Posted on 5/30/19 at 6:24 pm to 4EverATiger12345
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he will have all the pieces to win a championship
Even if they don't win the CFP but do make the playoffs that will be a significant achievement but wouldn't necessarily say it's Orgeron's ceiling. There's still areas LSU may need improving before winning the CFP. But I think O is making a strong push to making those areas better. But I will say 2019 needs to be another year that this program climbs the ladder and shows more improvement. 10 and 3 won't do it, they need to at least win 11 games. In all honesty they should not have lost to Fla or TAMU. If they would have won those 2 games they would have made the CFP. So, 11 games is the benchmark they need to achieve to show they are getting closer to being a CFP contender. Another is, of course, beating the inbred meth makers.
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 6:39 pm to Penrod
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This will always be the case. Next year Aranda might leave. Or Ensminger leaves and it will be Brady’s first year with HIS system. The defensive line this year is probably one of the best in the nation.
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Anyway, none of that matters. It’s Orgeron’s third season as head coach, and it’s almost his fourth season including the interim. Whatever problems LSU has at this point should have been fixed by Orgeron. Unlike Dabo he didn’t have to build a program. He just had to reload some talent and get the right coaches. All the other top coaches won big in year three.
It's precisely that simple.
All major collegiate football programs face their own set of challenges each season and it's the head coaches who have an obligation to ensure these challenges are met. These coaches sign multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts and they're expected to win at a very high level despite the challenges they face.
Orgeron must evolve and thrive in a college football environment that's full of adversity. This means LSU is expected to take another big step forward in 2019 and win the division/conference title or at least seriously contend for these titles.
It's a "win now" culture in college football and some programs accept different levels of winning than others, but they all must win regardless. LSU expects and only accepts being at the top of the SEC every year which is backed by the 2016 coaching change.
The bottom line is Orgeron was hired to win titles, not to split hairs when comparing different stats between himself and the last few years of the Miles era.
I don't really care, nor does it matter if this is a "ceiling" type of season for Orgeron. He's expected to win this season at a higher level than he's ever done in his career and he'll be rightfully judged from the results he produces.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 6:58 pm to 4EverATiger12345
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if we win the SEC or make the playoffs
lol...we aren't winning the SEC or making the playoffs with 3 losses on our record.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 8:52 pm to Goldrush25
quote:You've got to be trolling. There's a simple reason why we may be favored in every game except Bama while at the same time the over/under for LSU is set at 9 games. It's simple math. You multiply the odds of winning every game except BAMA all together and end up with something much less than 50%. It's not lowering the bar to say we may end up losing at least one other game that we're favored in. It's understanding simple probabilities.
We're favored in every other game. I don't want to hear this "maybe we'll get 11 wins" nonsense. It's the expectation.
The thing is, I know you understand this and yet here you are again trying to convince people that winning anything less than 11 games in the regular season is a failure.
Understanding basic math does not equal lowered expectations. However, using arguments that you know are false to set the bar artificially higher does equal an agenda.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:36 pm to Le Tenia
What game other than bama are we the underdog?
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:38 pm to TDTiger225
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while at the same time the over/under for LSU is set at 9 games.
If LSU wins 9 games this year it will be utter failure on the part of Orgeron.
Basic math bullshite or not, Orgeron was hired to compete for championships and 9 wins in year 3 doesn’t cut it. Games are won or lost on the field, not based on some mathematical probabilities. Otherwise we should have just kept Les.
I guarantee you Scott Woodward will not tout 9 wins as any success like Alleva did. 9 wins in 2019 would put O on the hot seat, as it should.
I think this year’s team can and should win 11, barring major injuries.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:15 pm to 00 Tech Grad
quote:Damn, it amazes me how no matter how carefully you word things on here, someone will usually manage to completely misinterpret it.
If LSU wins 9 games this year it will be utter failure on the part of Orgeron.
I am in no way saying that 9 wins should be the bar. That's just the current over/under. I think that is low and I'd put money on the over all day every day.
I'm just making the point that even if you are favored in every game, mathematically, the odds of running the rest of the table are against you. I'd be disappointed with 10 regular season wins but it would not be a failure.
ETA - In the same way, if we were favored to win every game, then running the table would be a reasonable expectation, but 11 wins would not be a failure.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:23 pm to 00 Tech Grad
I’m with this guy
10 is the minimum
11 is the what needs to happen
10 is the minimum
11 is the what needs to happen
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:43 pm to 4EverATiger12345
Not sure why they are downvoting you, you're absolutely correct.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 12:36 am to TDTiger225
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There's a simple reason why we may be favored in every game except Bama while at the same time the over/under for LSU is set at 9 games. It's simple math. You multiply the odds of winning every game except BAMA all together and end up with something much less than 50%. It's not lowering the bar to say we may end up losing at least one other game that we're favored in. It's understanding simple probabilities.
I'm well aware that it's difficult to ever win 11 games in the SEC.
That said, if you're a special coach, eventually you have to have a special season. No one said his job was easy.
This post was edited on 5/31/19 at 12:42 am
Posted on 5/31/19 at 1:18 am to 4EverATiger12345
I think you’re wrong, but carry on.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 1:21 am to 4EverATiger12345
I don’t necessarily think it’s his ceiling. For example if we go 11-1 reg season and miss the playoffs, I definitely think it can be improved upon simply because this is the first year with the new offense and that can only realistically be refined more over time.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 1:53 am to jimbeam
You bastard
Posted on 5/31/19 at 2:35 am to 4EverATiger12345
If O gives us 3 or 4 losses again this years its probably time to make the move and send him packing
Posted on 5/31/19 at 2:43 am to Pelican fan99
It took Dabo 7 years to have his 14-1 Season so why does O have to do it in 4 years?
Posted on 5/31/19 at 2:56 am to Malaysian Tiger
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It took Dabo 7 years to have his 14-1 Season so why does O have to do it in 4 years?
ACC vs SEC. The competition is just at a different level.
Dabo has maybe one team to deal with on his schedule and even that's arguable. Louisville? No, Wake Forest, No, Syracuse, perhaps, Dino has really done an excellent job there, Miami, this or NC State is where his "completion" might lie. Perhaps toss Pitt in there too.
It's a far cry from playing Bama every year, Florida every year, Auburn, and you could possibly even toss in Moo State after that shellacking we got a couple years ago. I'm aware Mullen is no longer there but Moorhead seems to be sustaining it and Mullen is now at Florida, so we have to face him regardless.
To be fair, Arkansas shouldn't be a problem but we played down to them last season and it almost came back to bite us.
Anyway, that's why.
This post was edited on 5/31/19 at 3:06 am
Posted on 5/31/19 at 3:01 am to Malaysian Tiger
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It took Dabo 7 years to have his 14-1 Season so why does O have to do it in 4 years?
Clemson football hadn't won it's conference in 2 decades prior to Dabo taking over the program. The Peach Bowl was their highlight bowl during that time. Dabo was a 1st time head coach who had a "for real" re-build on his hands.
Orgeron is a 2nd time head coach who has been the head coach at 3 different P5 major programs counting his interim stints. He didn't walk into a program rebuild and one of his predecessor's last recruiting class ranked 2nd in the country.
Orgeron isn't on a learning curve any longer and has the resources, players, staff and fan support to win titles now.
This post was edited on 5/31/19 at 3:03 am
Posted on 5/31/19 at 3:04 am to OPTIMAX CAT
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Orgeron isn't on a learning curve any longer and has the resources, players, staff and fan support to win titles now.
Exactly. This coming season is his best shot at getting it done.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 3:11 am to TDTiger225
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Understanding basic math does not equal lowered expectations. However, using arguments that you know are false to set the bar artificially higher does equal an agenda
This right here and everyone knows what he's doing yet he clings to this so later he can complain that O failed and obviously can't compete at this level.
You've got people here claiming that O deserves and will be fired if he goes 10 and 3.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 3:17 am to bencoleman
The main thing, let's not beat around the bush, is how he prepares the team for and gets the game vs Alabama done. It's the only game we're not favored in.
That's sort of the measuring stick. To be fair, the game against Texas early will be a good indication early on of how we look but the Alabama game is what fans focus on, if nothing else because of our past record vs them.
That's a reasonable take on going into that game. Don't you agree? It doesn't mean you hate O, it doesn't mean you love him, but he has to get win that game. He does that and he's set for a few more years here. I know I want to see it.
That's sort of the measuring stick. To be fair, the game against Texas early will be a good indication early on of how we look but the Alabama game is what fans focus on, if nothing else because of our past record vs them.
That's a reasonable take on going into that game. Don't you agree? It doesn't mean you hate O, it doesn't mean you love him, but he has to get win that game. He does that and he's set for a few more years here. I know I want to see it.
This post was edited on 5/31/19 at 3:23 am
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