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These boys are virtually uncoached.

Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:48 pm
Posted by TigerProphet
Thibodaux, La.
Member since Jan 2021
3222 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:48 pm
How has WW made a career in a field of which he has no expertise? He's definitely a G.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20029 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:55 pm to
The first few games of the season had me excited about our round ball squad. Now, I’m just waiting on baseball!
Posted by wally
Louisiana
Member since May 2011
730 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:57 pm to
I don't see one coached aspect of the game. This is by far the worst coaching job in the SEC.
Posted by MoneyTime
Member since Jan 2016
192 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:04 pm to
Of all people. Alleva said it best. “Someone gave me bad advice on that guy”. He does nothing well other than spend other people’s money.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38882 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:14 pm to
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How has WW made a career in a field of which he has no expertise? He's definitely a G.




Kinda weird that a college bball coach never played the sport at any level.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47857 posts
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:38 pm to
It seems like Wade is just letting certain players do whatever they want and has no problem with it. Watford and Thomas are out there going 1-5 all the time shooting us out of games and by Wade’s comments it appears that he’s encouraging this. If this is the price for 5* recruits then you can have em. There was a blueprint for what our teams should look like 2 years ago and since that time we’ve moved further and further away from that template. Wade refuses to play bigs who can protect the rim and is content shooting 40-50 jump shots on any given night. What happened to attacking the rim and crashing the boards? Why is Leblanc at 6-7 starting at center over 6-10 Shareef O’Neal? Why does Wade keep saying “we need to get Josh Gray on the court” as if somebody’s stopping him from playing the kid? Why did Wade promise to never go small again after the impact of Kavell Bigby-Williams and lie about it? Why doesn’t he play our deep bench more? This has been one of the biggest letdown seasons in the past 40 years. I think the Ben Simmons team would beat this team easily.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18136 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:07 am to
What do they do at practice? Serious question.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 8:27 am to
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What do they do at practice?


little to no work on fundamentals
Posted by HarveyTunnel
Harvey Tunnel
Member since Aug 2017
365 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:40 am to
It's been a rough ride. The first year inheritance was totally excusable. Next, the Will Wade sit out during the dance spoiled what was an excellent SEC campaign. COVID year one ended on a sour note without what was to be another tournament appearance. Now, sitting through several blowouts during COVID year two is difficult. It must be difficult in that locker room.

With only one year of high school coaching experience and little basketball court experience, I have no clue what's going south with LSU basketball. Hopefully, Coach Wade will be able to turn this around, and soon.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 9:41 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28337 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:04 am to
Do you people live life where EVERYTHING is either one extreme or the other?

There is no question this (to date) has been Wade's worst coaching job while at LSU. I say that because: (a) the defense was horrible last year. He mentioned over and over in the offseason improvement on that side of the ball was THE emphasis going into this season. Yet, the poor approach that made them one of the worst defenses among power conf. teams last year was almost exactly the same this year; and (b) there seems to be very little accountability for poor decision making/shot selection on offense, which is leading to seemingly worse decision making and what appears to be some guys checking out on the season.

That said, the thought that now all of a sudden "can't coach" is ridiculous. 3 years of solid play following the program bottoming out in Jones's final season says otherwise. As with much in life the truth lies somewhere in the middle. A, for the most part, completely foreign concept on this board. The reality is Wade was never as "good" as many on this board felt when they were proclaiming him the "best HC in the history of LSU basketball" and absolutely refusing to accept reasonable criticism of him. And he's not as "bad" as many of those may think he is today.

He's a solid coach with some clear weaknesses. IMO, that weakness is a little bit of hubris. Hubris in the sense that he's appeared reluctant to accept that some aspects of his approach (most notably on the defensive end) simply aren't producing results. Don't get me wrong, a large sense of self-confidence is necessary and warranted it such a competitive environment. But right now he seems to be trying to make every excuse to tell us why his approach isn't flawed ("we're pretty good at first shot defense"; "if we could just create more turnovers we'd be fine"; "sometimes you have to live with great scorers taking awful shots", etc) rather than accepting what the outside world can see (fans, TV analysists, other coaches).

Relative to the last 30 years of LSU basketball there has been far to much GOOD to now simply wash our hands with Wade. Maybe severe blow to your ego is necessary to evolve (that is the case for MANY people...not just coaches). And maybe what looks to be shortcoming of this season will lead to proactive change. But to now say "he can't coach" after 3 years of lauding him as a "genius" is absurd.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155585 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:57 am to
I think roster construction is something he has struggled with. Armstrong being your top assistant is also pretty, how should I say this, not good.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7798 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:57 am to
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I think roster construction is something he has struggled with.


Yeah, the coaching criticism is spot on about defense. Wade has to examine his approach, his toughness with star players that don't defend and his overall philosophy in that regard.

However, his style of offense can work, even against good teams, if you just have a little bit less hero-ball when you have Bigby-Williams, Naz, Emmitt Williams type monsters on the glass to turn the bad 1v1 shots from 15 ft in into put backs.

That is some issue with having the type players you need on the roster -- developing some "non-future pros to play 10-15 quality minutes as well.

So far, though, you'd like to see some "plan b" on offense to get players better looks and hold them accountable for bad ones when you're not setting records in offensive rebounding rate.

That said, Alabama is about the worst possible match up for LSU.

They go 6-7 deep in players that will drive the basket based on the mismatch (Watford or Thomas) and work hard on offense to find those mismatches.

Every player through 11 on their roster shoots the 3 ball.

And, they have a number of very lengthy good to great on the ball defenders in Jones, Petty, Primo and the defensive specialist Ellis. They have no issue keeping a fresh, long defender on Thomas and Watford.


As disappointing as the wild, selfish shot selection was last night, I'd wait to see if they can get back to the Texas Tech level of play for the next few games.




Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
876 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

I think roster construction is something he has struggled with

This. There's no doubt that the dude can recruit players who are great on paper. But imo, at least with this team in particular, he failed in recruiting players that could complement one another on the court
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14489 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 12:15 pm to
I understand you can't coach these kids you private school high schoolers and run weaves or motion offenses or restrict some of the freedoms like you can kids of more modest talents.

However, there has to be a line where they are accountable. It's probably too late to draw that line at this point this year, WW is going to have to live with what he's allowed to become expected.

However, if he is here next year, he needs to draw that line early or the same will happen.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34068 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

What do they do at practice?

H..O..R..S..E
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28337 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:20 pm to
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That said, Alabama is about the worst possible match up for LSU.


Agreed. In addition to being a very good offensive team, they have been equally as good defensively. As much as I hate to say it, they are a team, with the right matchups, who could make a run to the Final Four.

quote:

As disappointing as the wild, selfish shot selection was last night, I'd wait to see if they can get back to the Texas Tech level of play for the next few games.


The only positive from last night is, except for Watford, they came out and defended relatively well to start the game. They closed out quickly on shooters. They forced drives instead of threes. Unfortunately, Watford had no interest in actually defending last night...even though he was standing in the post most of the damn game.

I don't think it is hyperbole to say the next three are about as close to "must win" games as it gets. Florida is begin Florida's usually inconsistent self (lose to MSU...then route Tenn; win AT WVU...then lose at home to South Carolina). Still, they have been the most consistent thorn in Wade's side since he's been here.

MSU isn't great. But they have been a bad matchup for LSU. They are big and physical inside.

Tennessee hasn't been a good offense and they simply haven't played many games on the road. Unlike UF and MSU, Tennessee has seemed to be a pretty good matchup for LSU.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10908 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 4:02 pm to
Seriously, if you're not satisfied with the "1 on 1" selfish street ball Offense OR the lack of Defense, there's an easily solution to voice your discontent.

Don't go to the games. Resist going even if you enjoy the 2-3 hours spent in the PMAC.

That's the only way for LSU fans to show that they're not satisfied with the product.

It works with LSU football. When there's fewer and fewer butts in the seats each week and it's blatantly obvious there is fan discord, the LSUAD notices........
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260347 posts
Posted on 2/4/21 at 4:05 pm to
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However, there has to be a line where they are accountable. It's probably too late to draw that line at this point this year


It's a screwed up year

This isn't a great team but he deserves/will get a pass this year, as he should.
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