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re: The worst thing the LSU Ath Dept has ever done...

Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by geaux99
Wamegeaux, KS
Member since Aug 2005
1591 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:13 pm to
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tritiger


Before calling someone out for failing to give appropriate attnetion to detail, one should make sure he/she hasn't committed the same or similar error.

I figured a guy/gal who has been a member since 2006 would know that when one wants to know who a reply has been directed to, one need only check the reply message subject line and in parentheses will be the handle of the member being replied to.

So when the top of my reply you've recently referenced reads: (Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:59 a.m. to jpbTiger) instead of (Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:59 a.m. to tritiger), it means I wasn't commenting on your post, but on someone else's.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
Laffy
Member since Jan 2007
28643 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:14 pm to
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If LSU charges too much, then the school will not maximize revenues. If a large enough demand exists for a pay-to-tailgate system to be implemented without deterring demand, then LSU should try to raise those revenues. It is what any decent business would do.


Bottom line is that LSU can charge people to walk on their campus if they wanted to. It's just how much we as fans will let it cost us before we say "frick it. I'm staying home". It's different for different people.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:15 pm to
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Demand > Supply = LSU is in control. Until the opposite is true, the stands will be full and people will still be enjoying themselves on Saturday on campus at LSU.


Well, I'd say the people who drive into town on gameday hoping to find a ticket to buy are part of the demand.

When they stay home because of the parking situation, demand:

A) Falls
B) Rises
C) Stays the same
D) DEMAND CAN GO GET BUGGERED WITH A CACTUS! YOU SHOULD BE A "REAL" FAN!

Pick one. Hint : It's not "D".

Now, where the demand ultimately settles remains to be seen.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:15 pm to
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I agree that they are more invested, hence why LSU can get away with charging $40 to park and not face tremendous demand fluctuations (against typical opponents). To be it simply, the fanbase is EXTREMELY inelastic.



Brand loyalty does lead to inelastic demand, but it can also backfire in this instance because of the extreme loyalty.

i.e. people donating $540 less to the LSU Foundation because TAF got greedy.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24267 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:15 pm to
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Bottom line is that LSU can charge people to walk on their campus if they wanted to. It's just how much we as fans will let it cost us before we say "frick it. I'm staying home". It's different for different people.


In short, yes.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24267 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:18 pm to
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Brand loyalty does lead to inelastic demand, but it can also backfire in this instance because of the extreme loyalty.

i.e. people donating $540 less to the LSU Foundation because TAF got greedy.


Completely agree. Good point about the externalities. The price gouging of an inelastic consumer really only works when only one revenue source is available. In the case of LSU, fans can adjust spending through a variety of spending vehicles.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:19 pm
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6169 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:18 pm to
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Therein lies the issue. The Parade Ground looked no different following the game than it did for any other 7pm non-conference game. Why? Because the same mega groups that tailgated out there are still there not cleaning up their shite.

LSU just needs to be honest and not try and blame it on trash.

This post was edited on 9/12 at 4:03 pm

Correct!

quote:

Bama makes your "register" your tailgate on the quad for free. Then a "gameday official" walks around and marks the number associated with your registration and the location of your tailgate. I'd imagine this is to deter one from leaving their trash behind so they can be tracked.

I'd be ok with this if they didn't charge to park. We pick up our area.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
13601 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:21 pm to
This thread makes me feel even better about what my LSU gameday has become in recent years.

These and other "Gulliver's Travels" tactics imposed on the fan base are the reasons myself and others made the decision to have our "gameday experience" at home. Or many times as in the case with me, a camp.

LSU Football has never been more accessable than it is right now, and my desire to fight the crowd, the traffic, and the BS is getting weaker every year.

But as always...

Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:22 pm to
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I'd be ok with this if they didn't charge to park. We pick up our area.


This would have been the simple solution to the problem.
Posted by TN River Tiger
Knoxville
Member since Apr 2008
338 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:24 pm to
First; you are not my mother-in-law; so no I don't hate you!! Try this; park in a free zone, go walk around and visit friends and then see if you can get a ticket, if not take the money you would spend on parking and buy a cold one and a meal and enjoy the game on TV at a local bar, this is the thing; I get to see 3 games a year, (sell the rest to friends). I fly into Alex. BR or N.O. and then have to get up at the crack of dawn to get a spot the following morning. I often drive through campus and in recent years have seen the total discust of heaps of trash.

I just do not understand how people can buy TVs, gens. tents, food, drinks etc. and complain about $40. The university takes a tremendous wear and tear on the Saturdays and it needs help with its expenses of up-keep. By the way; I do hate my mother-in-law!
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
Laffy
Member since Jan 2007
28643 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:25 pm to
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This would have been the simple solution to the problem


I'm afraid the current AD won't stop until he has realized ever way he can make a buck off of a traditionally loyal fanbase. (something he didn't have for Duke football)
Posted by TN River Tiger
Knoxville
Member since Apr 2008
338 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:27 pm to
11:00am for a 7:00pm game. I think 8 hrs is plenty.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:28 pm to
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In the case of LSU, fans can adjust spending through a variety of spending vehicles.


This is actually how LSU fans can combat the charges the best, IMO.

- When your College calls asking for $$$ this year, tell them it went to TAF's increases on parking.
- Don't renew your Men's or Women's Basketball season tickets.
- Buy less merchandise with LSU logos, etc.

IMO the first one will hit the hardest. Once you start trying to pit one LSU fundraising arm against another, it gets solved quickly.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
Laffy
Member since Jan 2007
28643 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:28 pm to
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I often drive through campus and in recent years have seen the total discust of heaps of trash.



It really has nothing to do with the people that park their cars on campus.

Most of the trashier people don't drive to campus and if they do, they park in lots that are still free even under the new parking rules. Basically, the worst offenders are getting away scott free while the people that respect campus are footing the bill.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:31 pm to
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I just do not understand how people can buy TVs, gens. tents, food, drinks etc. and complain about $40. The university takes a tremendous wear and tear on the Saturdays and it needs help with its expenses of up-keep.


This has been discussed multiple times:

- Splitting up the $90 for truck/trailer isn't the problem between the organizers. Its maintaining the contributions from those who are part of the group but don't have ownership over the tailgate items.

- The parking fee didn't deter the trash-causing groups. They are primarily all large groups of Fraternities (not all of them, but some of them) and have the ability from their social dues to pay the $90 for truck/trailer and the manpower of pledges to haul other items to the Parade Ground.

This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:33 pm
Posted by StarkvilleTigerFan
Muncie, IN
Member since Jan 2005
3939 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:37 pm to
Money is not the root of ll evil..."THE LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil. I'm willing to bet part of that 40.00 fee is going into somebody's pocket!!!
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
28077 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:43 pm to
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I still think that even for UF and Auburn the lots won't be full or even near full. ESPECIALLY if they stop allowing people in them 3.5 hours before kickoff.

I'm still not convinced the time frame wasn't due to the regular closing of roads.

Posted by MiNd DrIpS
Garden District, New Orleans
Member since May 2011
997 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:46 pm to
Sorry youre poor
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12513 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:00 pm to
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Demand > Supply = LSU is in control. Until the opposite is true, the stands will be full and people will still be enjoying themselves on Saturday on campus at LSU. Welcome to capitalism.
Capitalism is not that simple, and in a case like a sports team it is even far less so.

To simplify the example to a similar degree, the problem is this: once the opposite is true, and the stands are not full and people are not still enjoying themselves, there is a serious and very real risk of the demand permanently being lowered because the product (the "LSU gameday experience") is itself devalued by the falling customer base.

It's kind of like the old internet services (say, Compuserve). An important part of their marketing was the fact that they had lots of people on their service so you would have lots of people to chat with, etc. Once their price/demand ratios started rising enough to cut their customer bases, that fact itself had a recurring diminishing effect on the demand. Thus it became a vicious spiral that helped run many of them out of business entirely.

Bottom line, once we price ourselves into a half-empty stadium and ghosttown campus on gameday, nobody's going to want to pay even $10 to get in on it anymore.

Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
28077 posts
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:08 pm to
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we price ourselves into a half-empty stadium and ghosttown campus on gameday

Terrible/losing seasons are the only thing that will cause this. The price may be considered extreme since they jumped right into it, but it could be much, much worse. It isn't like they're charging a completely outrageous or ridiculous price. The regular reserved passes don't even average out to $100/game including donations, do they?

People will drop like flies if the program returns to the Hallman or end of the Dinardo era, or if they raise the price to some kind of insane level.....but not before then.
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