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The Waters pass was not dumb, and not calling a time out isn't a bad call

Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:32 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:32 pm
Hindsight is 20/20, and it's obviously easy to sit back now and say that this and that were wrong, because we lost, but neither were bad decisions.


WATERS PASS:

LSU had a 1 point lead with about 45 seconds left. That meant Arkansas was getting the ball back one more time with a chance to win, or tie, no matter what. Best case for LSU was scoring 2, making Arkansas only be able to tie. What is an easier 2 points than a wide open dunk? That's what we had. It was there. What makes it even an smarter play was the fact that, had it been completed, LSU would have still had time to get the ball back had Arkansas tied the game (same as NBA teams going 2 for 1 to end quarters). It was bad execution, but it wasn't a stupid decision.


NOT CALLING TIME OUT:

If you watched LSU since Wade arrived, he very seldom calls a time out in last second situations. Sure you can say, call a time out and set a play, but calling a time out also let's the defense reset. It's usually better to put your trust in your players to make a play, against a defense who is scrambling, rather than let them get a free reset.

I know this place doesn't take L's well, but Arkansas played their arse off. We almost won despite them shooting out of this world (some was on LSU's poor defense, and some was just lights out shooting). We took their best shot, and almost still pulled it out. This L may be better for this team in the long run.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 7:34 pm
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
A man more eviler than Skeletor.
Member since Feb 2005
50655 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:33 pm to
I’m just going to say it was an okay and he just overthrew it.

Tactician wise- if you convert it it’s 2-1
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47853 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:34 pm to
Sorry but that’s wrong
Posted by lsutigertalk
At Death Valley
Member since Apr 2004
5472 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:34 pm to
And if you don’t get the and 1 at best it’s a 3 point lead with 30 plus seconds left. Waters is great, but it was a stupid play.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93674 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:34 pm to
Not a smart play at all. LSU had been getting fouled in the lane all game. Work for the good shot in that situation.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21054 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

Sorry but that’s wrong


What about it is wrong?
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
17784 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:35 pm to
Stupid pass plain and simple at that point in the game
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

If you watched LSU since Wade arrived, he very seldom calls a time out in last second situations


This is not a reason to not call timeout. It was stupid. Plain and simple. It bit us in the arse today and has before
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21054 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

Not a smart play at all. LSU had been getting fouled in the lane all game. Work for the good shot in that situation


What's a better shot than a wide open dunk?
Posted by TheTexasTiger7
Dallas - Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2018
9387 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:35 pm to
Both were dumb as shite. Saying a 50 foot alley oop pass when we had the lead and a full shot clock isn’t dumb, is an absurd statement. You are dead wrong.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16155 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:35 pm to
That oop is a low percentage make that, even if you make,keeps it a one point score. You’ve got ball and you’re up and the refs have been calling EVERYTHING when going to the hoop.


That was one of the most dumb things I’ve ever seen at the PMAC
Posted by eugene1928LSU
Shreveport, La
Member since Oct 2013
2780 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:36 pm to
I agree with one thing you said, defense was very poor.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93674 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:36 pm to
None but it wasn't a wide open dunk. What are you talking about?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47853 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:36 pm to
It was a stupid decision and an extremely low percentage play. We had the lead, you run the clock down and get a good shot you don’t turn it over with that much time left on the shot clock.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21054 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:37 pm to
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Stupid pass plain and simple at that point in the game


I gave logical reasoning for both scenarios. You are just calling it stupid, without giving any reason for this belief what so ever. Wanna know why? It's because it wasn't stupid, and the only excuse you can give is "because we lost."
Posted by The Real Drooby
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
1454 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:37 pm to
Ditto not calling timeout keeps them on their heals and with our talent better chance for win
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18136 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:37 pm to
No timeout is fine, but a 45 foot alley-oop pass was bad. Being aggressive is fine, but the pass was too high of a risk.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
9459 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:37 pm to
I don't hate Waters' idea. It just wasn't a good pass.

I don't hate passing up the timeout, but I would have preferred a set play or at least an inbound to an iso. You can only trust street ball for so long. Eventually, you have to install something to complement the street ball style, especially in the final seconds of a game.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21054 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:38 pm to
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None but it wasn't a wide open dunk. What are you talking about?


I've seen us execute that play about 20 times. The dunk was open. The pass was off target.
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19744 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 7:38 pm to
Alley from almost half court is a very high risk play and was unnecessary in that spot.
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