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The solution for bowl game opt-outs is just accept and embrace it. Let the young guys play
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:24 pm
Once the playoffs move to 12 teams, few people will care about bowl games and that's ok. Who will care? Coaches and young players.
The NCAA should make bowl games not affect eligibility.
Use it as a spring game-type situation with a live opponent. Use the extra practices to get better for next year, not necessarily for that particular opponent.
Tell all the players that if they don't plan on participating and giving 100 percent effort, then move on. No hard feelings.
Seems like a win-win. True fans can't get enough of spring practice and even spring games, but generally don't care about meaningless bowl games. This should make them care.
The NCAA should make bowl games not affect eligibility.
Use it as a spring game-type situation with a live opponent. Use the extra practices to get better for next year, not necessarily for that particular opponent.
Tell all the players that if they don't plan on participating and giving 100 percent effort, then move on. No hard feelings.
Seems like a win-win. True fans can't get enough of spring practice and even spring games, but generally don't care about meaningless bowl games. This should make them care.
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:25 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
So the solution to the problem is to just accept the problem and don’t worry about a solution?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Nope. The new avenue for a partial solution is for friends of the program to structure NIL deals in such a way that there are penalties for healthy scratches.
In the same way, NIL should also be used as a tool to mitigate against transfers. NIL deals should require that amounts are paid back when a player transfers from the school. Yes, we all know the new school's benefactor will buy out the NIL agreement. Now we can use that money in new NIL deals for players that stay or sign.
In the same way, NIL should also be used as a tool to mitigate against transfers. NIL deals should require that amounts are paid back when a player transfers from the school. Yes, we all know the new school's benefactor will buy out the NIL agreement. Now we can use that money in new NIL deals for players that stay or sign.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:26 pm to SixthAndBarone
Or just play because you love football.
Idk, call me crazy.
Another idea is to take the bowl game and move it to the first week of the following season and that’s your scrimmage game (doesn’t affect rankings etc) to carry over into week one.
Call it week zero.
Idk, call me crazy.
Another idea is to take the bowl game and move it to the first week of the following season and that’s your scrimmage game (doesn’t affect rankings etc) to carry over into week one.
Call it week zero.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:27 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The real solution is to reduce the number of bowls.
Having a 6-6 record should not qualify you for a bowl these days and makes for some pointless post-season football.
The twelve team playoff, NY6, and maybe a handful of historic bowls should be all you can play for. Can’t make it? Sit at home and try again next season.
Having a 6-6 record should not qualify you for a bowl these days and makes for some pointless post-season football.
The twelve team playoff, NY6, and maybe a handful of historic bowls should be all you can play for. Can’t make it? Sit at home and try again next season.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The solution for bowl game opt-outs is just accept and embrace it. Let the young guys play
That's not a solution.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I agree that Bowl Games shouldn't count against your redshirt. I will concede that. Or have a rule that allows you to use an X amount of players redshirting for Y amount of injuries and opt outs, with a stipulation that the person who is playing was eligible to play most of the year and the coach made the choice to redshirt. This means not someone injured for 12 games that is healthy in January. They should be practicing and such just like everyone else.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:34 pm to therick711
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friends of the program to structure NIL deals in such a way that there are penalties for healthy scratches.
In the same way, NIL should also be used as a tool to mitigate against transfers. NIL deals should require that amounts are paid back when a player transfers from the school. Yes, we all know the new school's benefactor will buy out the NIL agreement. Now we can use that money in new NIL deals for players that stay or sign.
This requires a level of coordination between the schools and the "benefactor" that is against NCAA rules and also illegal in many states. You can't require any repayment.
Also, if players are opting out for the NFL, then very few NIL deals will pay enough for 1 game to make any difference.
This is often discussed as a possible solution, but has no real path to implementation.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:35 pm to 0x15E
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The twelve team playoff, NY6, and maybe a handful of historic bowls should be all you can play for. Can’t make it? Sit at home and try again next season.
Or maybe grab the next best teams and hve like an NIT style Tournament to be the best of the rest. I'm talking like 8. Not 16 or anything.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:42 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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This requires a level of coordination between the schools and the "benefactor" that is against NCAA rules and also illegal in many states. You can't require any repayment.
Disagree. It can be accomplished even where it is illegal by simply holding payment for a lump sum until the day after transfers are over or by scheduling payment structures by games played or years on the team, the possibilities are endless and easy.
As to the NFL issue, as I alluded to, a solution doesn't have to fix all cases to fix many. The amount of players with NFL paydays at a level that make other sources of income irrelevant are miniscule in a given year. Let's say smart NIL structure saves you from 5 opt outs but fails to prevent 1 or 2. That's a win.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:44 pm to 0x15E
quote:but the bowls are private. You and I could start a bowl game if we got funding and a TV deal.
The real solution is to reduce the number of bowls.
So who exactly is going to limit the number of bowls? The NCAA? They don't own or control the bowls.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:55 pm to therick711
Do you even understand how NIL works?
What you are suggesting is not possible. It's collusion.
Companies paying NIL money cannot coordinate with each other to establish guidelines and restrictions.
Can Gordon, on his own, do such a thing? Sure, if he structures it to abide by NCAA and state laws.
But another company does not have to follow suit, and could poach the player from Gordon by not requiring the same restrictions.
And LSU cannot, under any circumstances, suggest that these private companies do such a thing.
Sheesh!
What you are suggesting is not possible. It's collusion.
Companies paying NIL money cannot coordinate with each other to establish guidelines and restrictions.
Can Gordon, on his own, do such a thing? Sure, if he structures it to abide by NCAA and state laws.
But another company does not have to follow suit, and could poach the player from Gordon by not requiring the same restrictions.
And LSU cannot, under any circumstances, suggest that these private companies do such a thing.
Sheesh!
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 3:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Where would friends of the program ever come up with ideas to structure NIL deals to assist player retention at the University they patronize? Without discussing it with LSU or each other, sounds like it would be impossible for them to just, sua sponte, come up with agreements that help retain players. 
In all seriousness, NIL deals in this market are made with the intention of getting and retaining talent at LSU. Structuring them properly to ensure that LSU gets and retains talent is not difficult and can be done in so many ways that it being done in the same way is not necessary.
In all seriousness, NIL deals in this market are made with the intention of getting and retaining talent at LSU. Structuring them properly to ensure that LSU gets and retains talent is not difficult and can be done in so many ways that it being done in the same way is not necessary.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:02 pm to therick711
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Without discussing it with LSU or each other, sounds like it would be impossible for them to just, sua sponte, come up with agreements that help retain players
Well, they really aren't supposed to. But we are talking borderline violations of NCAA rules, that aren't really enforced.
What you are suggesting is illegal.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:04 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The NCAA should make bowl games not affect eligibility.
This.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:06 pm to BearCrocs
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Another idea is to take the bowl game and move it to the first week of the following season and that’s your scrimmage game (doesn’t affect rankings etc) to carry over into week one.
Not a terrible idea. Basically use it like a preseason NFL game. Let your new players get some experience on the field.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:32 pm to 0x15E
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The real solution is to reduce the number of bowls.
how would you do this? you know that all of these bowls are independent ventures sponsored by the cities in which they are held. it's like free enterprise; why kill it? most of the players have fun and get great freebies at the bowls. your "solution" is definately regulation overreach.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:48 pm to therick711
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In all seriousness, NIL deals in this market are made with the intention of getting and retaining talent at LSU. Structuring them properly to ensure that LSU gets and retains talent is not difficult and can be done in so many ways that it being done in the same way is not necessary.
I may be wrong (and if I am, please correct me) but I don't believe you can tie the NIL deals/contracts to the school. You are paying for use of the PLAYER'S NIL not anything technically affiliated with the school. Or, in other words, you can't structure a deal that applies only if the player is at LSU (even though in a practical sense that is why you are paying him). That is why a lot of these NIL contracts are renewable contracts very short in duration. With the way you have to structure the contract, if you had a long term deal you could conceivably be on the hook for paying a player...even if he transferred to another school because you are only paying for the use of HIS NIL, not for him to be an LSU football player. His name, image and likeness follow him wherever he goes.
With respect to the opt-out for bowl games the best thing for fans is to just get over it. The players have realized what most of the bowl games have always been, glorified exhibition games. Today, unless you are in the playoffs, a win in a bowl game doesn't do anything to advance your season (i.e. you don't move on to a next round like you do in a playoff). So whether you win or lose, your season ends. With really nothing at stake other than a bowl win, pride and a trophy, some players choose to opt out. While you or I may think they should take every opportunity to play because the opportunity to do so in life is so short, I'm not going to dump on a guy because of his own personal decision. If he doesn't want to play, so be it. He has to live with that decision. Not me.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Do you realize the money that schools receive to play in these bowls? I would solve the problem quickly as a head coach; if you are an underclassman that opts out, take away the scholarship. Opting is fashionable, but the players turn their backs on their teammates, fans, and school.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:55 pm to bearhc
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I would solve the problem quickly as a head coach; if you are an underclassman that opts out, take away the scholarship.
No underclassmen are opting out. Being injured is not opting out. The people opting out by and large are folks already going pro who feel they cannot enhance their prospects by their play in the bowl game.
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