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re: The simple fix to the College Football Playoffs

Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:27 am to
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
3669 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:27 am to
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You’ve got Texas and PSU too high and creating a possible 3rd meeting btn UT and UGA in the semis along with an Oregon/PSU rematch there as well. Your seeding is rewarding both of them for losing to the #1 & #2 teams.
This isn't my seeding, it's the current CFP rankings.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17048 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:27 am to
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That is probably where it goes. It wont be changed until after next year when the contract with ESPN runs out. Apparently parties have to agree to an any changes. I can guarantee the Big 12 and Group of 5 will not agree to change anything that would make anything harder for them.

It's already being discussed for 2025.
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Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15960 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:27 am to
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None of those 3 teams are legitimate championship contenders, so I would think they're all better off in the scenario where they have the best shot at winning at least 1 game.


I don't disagree with your thought process on this but from their point of view those teams are one less game away from the title game despite whatever slim chance they have. They only have to win 1 to get to the semis which is higher profile and payout than the quarters. ASU was a 4 and 13 away from doing this.
Posted by ultratiger89
Houston, Tx
Member since Aug 2007
3656 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:28 am to
I like the format it rewards the better teams at the end of the season. Seeds don’t matter I like the parity.
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
3669 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:29 am to
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Your idea might work for this year, but who knows how it will work out next year. A completely random team might be hot at the right time so anything can happen
I struggle to see how this idea would not work in some other scenario. If a team got hot, they'd still be in, but this seeding is just the best way to make sure that the actual rankings play more of a factor in where teams get seeded to have more equitable matchups.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
29855 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:29 am to
If the regular season resume is there, they should be given the opportunity to prove they belong.
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
5231 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:31 am to
Redfish, if only I could upvote you 1000 times.
Posted by BillF
New York, New York
Member since Jan 2006
5792 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:57 am to
I think the committee just needs to select the top 12 teams, including the five highest-ranked conference champs, who are each guaranteed a spot in the 12-team field.

Rank the teams 1-12. Teams 1-4 get the bye they earned, and teams 5-8 get the home games they earned.

No conference gets automatic bids other than their conference champion.

It's the only way that is fair and the only way that assures a true Playoff, but it will never happen. The smaller conferences will cry for automatic byes, and the SEC & BIG will bully the sport with their power and money. The system, in the end, will be inherently flawed for the same reason as the present one - it was never intended to be about competition or fairness. It's simply about $$'$$, and that will never change.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12640 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:59 am to
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My fix here is simple: the top 4 conference champions should only be guaranteed a top 8 seed, and I'm okay with still having the 5th conference champ get in.

I think that’s better than what we have today, but I would take it a step further - don’t modify the seeds based on conference championships at all. Instead, just give conference champs home field priority in the first round.

That would have given us:

5 Notre Dame @ 12 Clemson
- winner vs. 4 Penn State

8 Indiana @ 9 Boise State
- winner vs. 1 Oregon

6 Ohio State @ 11 Arizona State
- winner vs. 3 Texas

10 SMU @ 7 Tennessee
- winner vs. 2 Georgia

To me this accomplishes a few things:
1. Teams who win their conference and finish in the top 4 are still rewarded with a bye, but without potentially getting screwed by seeding in the process.
2. In cases where a team is likely to finish top 4 regardless of conference championship outcome, they are at least rewarded with a higher seed (which is more meaningful if the rest of the seeds aren’t manipulated).
3. Teams who win their conference and finish in the 5-8 range are rewarded with a guaranteed home game.
4. Teams who win their conference and finish in the 9-12 range are rewarded with a guaranteed playoff spot (they might not make the CFP otherwise) and are very likely to get a home game.

The downside is that you can run into some oddball scenarios where one of the 4 best conference champs has to play on the road in round 1. For example: if #9 B12 champ plays @ #8 ACC champ while #12 G5 champ gets a home game. But that’s a worthwhile tradeoff, IMO, to preserve seeding.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 7:37 pm
Posted by MrSinnyman
Member since Dec 2024
140 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:01 pm to
IMO the biggest hurdle we’ll continue to have to the rankings system. Every year there’s the preseason ranking and we have pretenders that have no business being ranked, let alone in the top 15 or 10. The rankings are subjective and do show bias. Every year teams like Clemson FSU Ole Miss FL SCar TAMU ND UM OSU ORE USC and other usual suspects finding themselves in the pre-season top 25 and then get smashed early on by a nobody. Rankings shouldn’t exist at all, or in the very least not before week 8-9 after a few in-conference games are played.

But until then, we’re going to continue to see mismatches in the playoffs
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12640 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:07 pm to
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Rankings shouldn’t exist at all, or in the very least not before week 8-9 after a few in-conference games are played.

The first CFP rankings aren’t released until week 9 (when most teams have played 7-8 games) for exactly this reason.

This year they didn’t actually come out until week 10, but that’s because the way the calendar fell out made the season a week longer.
Posted by Brendoni
Oklahoma City, Ok
Member since Apr 2009
22214 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:08 pm to
No way in hell Penn State should have played SMU, then Boise State. That’s my main complaint. That and Oregon playing Ohio State in the second round.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2694 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:12 pm to
In the immortal words of Ned in Spiderman Far From Home after Peter gives his extensive plans for him and MJ in Paris, "yeah, forget all that." The main solution is not to have 12 teams to begin with. Thus, the byes go away and teams that actually might have a chance to win the NC are the only ones in the playoff.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5577 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:12 pm to
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Notre Dame should be seeded ahead of both of them due to having only one loss to their two. Records matter and one loss is better than two even if that one loss is a bad loss.


It's asinine to think losing to one shitty team is better than losing to two quality opponents.
Posted by MrSinnyman
Member since Dec 2024
140 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:17 pm to
I didn’t mean the CFP rankings, I’m talking about the AP and Coaches poll. And the CFP rankings take the AP poll into account.
Posted by stang14
Member since Nov 2019
1225 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:01 pm to
Just go to 16 teams to help Alabama. No byes. 4 consecutive weekends no breaks get it done
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3250 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:17 pm to
The CFP has played out exactly like most everyone has been begging for. They teams play it out on the field and the cream rises to the top. In this 1st year of CFP not one team has an argument they should have been in the playoffs, and the top four committee selection were losers.

The best team got a chance to play for a championship and there is no more arguments because you win it on the field.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3750 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Conference champs should just fall in line like everyone else.

Basically making conference championships irrelevant. When the championship is irrelevant, basically the conference structure itself is irrelevant. In effect, we are getting rid of one of the things that has made college football so wildly popular.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80497 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Or just have 8 teams,


I wish, but I bet they go to 16 soon
Posted by TigerGA
Georgia Coast
Member since Oct 2010
1219 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 2:43 pm to
Each year there’s 2-4 teams capable of winning a natty. We’ll never have a situation where 12 teams are competitive. Even with 8 teams, that’s too many, but would work better than 12. Going to 16 would be even worse for blowout scores. However, too much money is being made with having 12 teams, so I don’t see that number getting smaller.
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