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re: The SEC Ump & SEC Nation Guys
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:46 am to USAFLSUVet
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:46 am to USAFLSUVet
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which the umps screwed up by huddling and then deciding he did indeed cause the issue.
What issue? Who did Neal interfere with?
Not the batter or the runner.
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:49 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call.
Right, but he called out on a judgement call, then changed his mind. I have never seen an umpire call strike 3, then call the batter back to the box and decide it was actually a ball…
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:51 am to NorthstarinLA
The umpire didn't question the call until the coach from USCe came out and asked about it. If the coach from USCe doesn't inquire about the play, the umpire never questions the initial call. They were influenced into that decision.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:54 am to LSUnKaty
Based on the rule for stepping out with 2 strikes already the UMP should of called strike 3, if he was actually following the rules then it's null and void. Or stick to his original call of OuT! But as usual the SEC Umps/Refs do what they want with no consequences as Stankey Sankey runs ESPN/Teams...so no biggie. Jay should of blasted that clown and Woody but both stayed silent as usual. Have some balls and call them on it!
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:55 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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get downvoted but what an impossible call for a home plate ump to make without the help of replay.
You’ll get downvotes because your entire post makes no sense and contradicts itself.
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But that’s damn near impossible to see when standing behind the catcher.
So you make your initial call which is already tough to determine. Then you backtrack and say you need time to think about an already tough call. So you overturn it without any evidence just…….because maybe it could have possibly went the other way? Let’s take an already hard to determine call and add more questioning into it just…….because maybe?
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The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call.
So it follows protocol for any other questionable call that isn’t reviewable. You stick with your initial judgement call instead of getting swayed by a coach in the dugout.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:02 am to TackySweater
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You stick with your initial judgement call
old school baseball rules and I'd be happy with it, but I'm old
when stadiums first began to have Jumbotrons and replays were able to be shown almost immediately after a play, the umps/refs were against (and were successful for a wile,) in preventing replays of close/controversial calls from being put on the board, because it shows they are human, i.e., fallible, just like the players, but back then being human was considered part of the equationThis post was edited on 5/26/24 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:11 am to hayden7cub
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My whole issue is if it’s a judgement call, which it is, why are they talking to anyone other than between themselves. With the headphones on, it brings into question who they are talking to and is that person watching on video. It wasn’t a reviewable call.
The bad judgment notwithstanding, I don't have a problem with them getting clarification on the rules. Apparently, Yeskie wanted to protest. So the umps stopped everything to give yeskie the info about the rule clarification so the game didn't proceed under protest. At that point, there was nothing yeskie could do, so they kept playing. I wish they'd recognize that a 30-second review would have been faster than an 18-19 minute delay so this should be reviewable in the future.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:14 am to USAFLSUVet
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Honestly if Neal just stays in his catchers stance until he catches the pitch he has plenty of time to make the tag.
True and if a strike was thrown there the batter would have been out.
It’s just such a tricky situation that relies on a few players (and the crew) to notice the slightest move by the pitcher (did he step off the rubber) in such a compressed timeframe (seconds).
Herring seemed like he was just trying to get the ball in to Neal but hard to blame him there. Catcher’s reaction to it is everything. Pitcher was officially throwing a pitch there. Catcher reacts more like it’s a play than a pitch. Yeah it’s close but Neal is closer to reacting like Herring stepped off the rubber when it was pretty much impossible for Herring to do there.
Batter reacts like Herring stepped off too, even if not intentionally. That’s to avoid batters interference which wasn’t in play there anyway.
When its bang bang everybody should keep doing the duties for a pitch but it’s such a tough ask and you have to be quick to get the tag. MLB players even have a tough time with it.
Definitely needs to be reviewable.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:16 am to NorthstarinLA
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Nobody wants to call it what it was a missed called
Everyone except the UMPs said this yesterday. You aren't going to hear the SEC UMPs admitting the mistake.
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Why was the batter not automatically out for stepping out of the box on a pitch?
That's not how the rule works and the play was dead as soon as Neal "touched" home plate. We know he did NOT touch home plate, but the ruling was that he did therefore the play was dead at that point. Even then, the batter can leave the box b/c the defensive player is making a play on a runner.
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Typical SEC ref/Ump misses it and it's CYA and the TV guys are told what to say....the announcers said the Ump missed it but on SEC Now it's yada, the SEC was brave to provide an UMP to explain...BS
It ultimately didn't change the outcome of the game. They explained the rule and that is all you are going to get. It sucks, but I swear some of you wouldn't be happy even if the SEC called a press conference to publically humiliate and fire the guy. Mistakes happen. The UMP fricked up. The lesson learned is that this needs to be a reviewable play. End of story.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:22 am to NorthstarinLA
The issue is this:
The ump never saw Neal step on or in front of the plate. So he did not call a catcher’s balk. Then Kingston comes out to lobby for a call, and the ump’s reverse and call the balk despite that he never saw Neal step on or in front of plate (because it didn’t happen). They created an unreviewable play by calling something that was never seen.
Also, it can’t possibly be catcher’s interference if the batter gave himself up by leaving the batter’s box.
The ump never saw Neal step on or in front of the plate. So he did not call a catcher’s balk. Then Kingston comes out to lobby for a call, and the ump’s reverse and call the balk despite that he never saw Neal step on or in front of plate (because it didn’t happen). They created an unreviewable play by calling something that was never seen.
Also, it can’t possibly be catcher’s interference if the batter gave himself up by leaving the batter’s box.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:28 am to DunbartonLATiger
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Nobody makes the league more money in baseball than LSU so how does money play into a bad call that could eliminate LSU?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:41 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Arguing a call =\= an official challenge or review. You’re better than that.
You’re playing semantics like an idiot.
No he didn’t “officially challenge” it but by arguing it, he made them rethink it and overturn it. All without any sort of video evidence.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:43 am to NorthstarinLA
NCAA 7-1 A Batter
Baseball Rules Academy
LINK › Rules
Note: Umpires may grant a batter's request for “Time” once the hitter is in the batter's box, but the umpire should only do so for safety reasons or if the
May grant a time out if ASKED.
Not MUST call a time out ......
Baseball Rules Academy
LINK › Rules
Note: Umpires may grant a batter's request for “Time” once the hitter is in the batter's box, but the umpire should only do so for safety reasons or if the
May grant a time out if ASKED.
Not MUST call a time out ......
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:54 am to TackySweater
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So it follows protocol for any other questionable call that isn’t reviewable. You stick with your initial judgement call instead of getting swayed by a coach in the dugout.
I agree with you, I simply said I see how everything could have unfolded the way it did. The umpire didn’t call what he saw, obviously, but instead he replayed the play in his head and assumed what happened.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 11:56 am to TackySweater
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No he didn’t “officially challenge” it but by arguing it, he made them rethink it and overturn it. All without any sort of video evidence.
Is that not allowed? Again, the call was wrong but nowhere is it stated you can’t argue a play and/or the umps overturn a previous call. They didn’t review it, they just changed their call. Like it or not, that’s allowed.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:04 pm to USAFLSUVet
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Honestly if Neal just stays in his catchers stance until he catches the pitch he has plenty of time to make the tag.
Or if the pitcher had taken one step away from the rubber it's a throw and not a pitch. Again, plenty of time.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:37 pm to shinerfan
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Or if the pitcher had taken one step away from the rubber it's a throw and not a pitch. Again, plenty of time.
Not a chance. Watch the replay. Herring is already delivering the pitch when the runner heads home.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:42 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Arguing a call =\= an official challenge or review. You’re better than that.
How often do you see a coach change an umpires mind by coming out to talk to him WITHOUT a challenge?
I don’t think over ever seen it, at any level.
Until yesterday.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 12:54 pm to NorthstarinLA
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Based on the rule for stepping out with 2 strikes already the UMP should of called strike 3
Strike 4 actually. If a batter steps out of the box with both feet during the pitch then it’s automatic strike. Batter does the same with a runner on base then it’s 2 strikes.
Yesterday’s ruling is the only thing that could have messed that up.
Baseball has the most complex rules of any sport. I’ve seen some suggest it was an auto out because he stepped out. Only way it’s auto out is if batter hits the ball while out of the box.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 1:00 pm to KC Tiger
If you were there, the bench didn’t make a big fuss. It was Melina as he was walking off the field he started talking to the umpire then talked to his coaches. Every Carolina play was on the field. That’s what’s strange. Then everything stopped.
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