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The SEC Ump & SEC Nation Guys
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:45 am
Nobody wants to call it what it was a missed called. The SEC Ump just says it's a judgement call, which the home Ump called out, so it's non reviewable, so why the 4 Ump handle and reverse of the call?
Why was the batter not automatically out for stepping out of the box on a pitch?
Typical SEC ref/Ump misses it and it's CYA and the TV guys are told what to say....the announcers said the Ump missed it but on SEC Now it's yada, the SEC was brave to provide an UMP to explain...BS
Why was the batter not automatically out for stepping out of the box on a pitch?
Typical SEC ref/Ump misses it and it's CYA and the TV guys are told what to say....the announcers said the Ump missed it but on SEC Now it's yada, the SEC was brave to provide an UMP to explain...BS
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:49 am to NorthstarinLA
quote:The batter can step out of the box without being granted time out,!but he is in peril of a strike or ball call while he is out. That’s all the rule states.
Why was the batter not automatically out for stepping out of the box on a pitch?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:49 am to NorthstarinLA
I’ll get downvoted but what an impossible call for a home plate ump to make without the help of replay.
The guy is standing behind the catcher. The catcher is seemingly all over home plate even though he isn’t touching it. But that’s damn near impossible to see when standing behind the catcher.
The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call.
The guy is standing behind the catcher. The catcher is seemingly all over home plate even though he isn’t touching it. But that’s damn near impossible to see when standing behind the catcher.
The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:50 am to NorthstarinLA
Same thing going on here as the reason they got rid of the trackman view and data: they know the umps aren't great but aren't really committed to drastically improving it either.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:06 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call
I agree with this. Which then begs the question how do you over turn the call on the field with a “judgement call” that you cannot be 100% sure about?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:10 am to NorthstarinLA
My whole issue is if it’s a judgement call, which it is, why are they talking to anyone other than between themselves. With the headphones on, it brings into question who they are talking to and is that person watching on video. It wasn’t a reviewable call.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:11 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I’ll get downvoted but what an impossible call for a home plate ump to make without the help of replay.
this will change in the offseason. It was a horrendous call, and the umps should be reprimanded. However, nothing will happen. Remember when PP7 intercepted the ball against bama and his right foot actually kicked up turf in bounds? Replay officials blatantly stated it was incomplete. The steal was real.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:14 am to DunbartonLATiger
Listening to SC’s coach postgame I think they designed the play to get the call. I don’t think they actually thought they’d steal home. Interesting. That’s actually great coaching if so.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:15 am to GeorgeTheGreek
I think this is a very difficult call and that's exactly what the SC coach had in mind when he called it. Here's what i think happened.
SC's coach said they remembered reviewing video of catchers responding and some stepped in front of the plate and they decided to try it.
They had been eight runs up and the he could feel the game slipping away, with two outs and LSU having the chance to score the winning run in the bottom of the inning.
He decided to take a risk and expected his player to be thrown out and to argue the play. He was prepared to argue it before it was even called and caught the umpire off guard. The umpire likely was not even looking at the plate and the catcher's feet and allowed himself to be swayed by a strongly stated, fully prepared argument. The umpire was intimidated and allowed himself to be pushed around.
SC's coach said they remembered reviewing video of catchers responding and some stepped in front of the plate and they decided to try it.
They had been eight runs up and the he could feel the game slipping away, with two outs and LSU having the chance to score the winning run in the bottom of the inning.
He decided to take a risk and expected his player to be thrown out and to argue the play. He was prepared to argue it before it was even called and caught the umpire off guard. The umpire likely was not even looking at the plate and the catcher's feet and allowed himself to be swayed by a strongly stated, fully prepared argument. The umpire was intimidated and allowed himself to be pushed around.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:18 am to LSUnKaty
Your last sentence is wrong. Check out some of the other posts and the rule book as well. Baseball has a LOT of rules! Fact Check complete.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:19 am to nitwit
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The umpire was intimidated and allowed himself to be pushed around.
this umpire was a complete joke.....usually they give a certain part of the plate......he gave high, low, outside, inside, whenever it suited him.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:21 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call.
My problem is that they didn’t second guess shite until they allowed the South Carolina coach to talk to them. So on a play that can’t be challenged or reviewed, they allowed for a challenge from one team but ejected the coach of the other for disagreeing with it.
It’s blatant incompetence and then complete water carrying by the head of officials and the network thereafter.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:23 am to ProjectP2294
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So on a play that can’t be challenged or reviewed, they allowed for a challenge from one team
Arguing a call =\= an official challenge or review. You’re better than that.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:23 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Listening to SC’s coach postgame I think they designed the play to get the call. I don’t think they actually thought they’d steal home. Interesting. That’s actually great coaching if so.
If true, I agree. Great coaching. 0-2, 2 outs, close game, late inning.
It also explains why the batter basically exposed the play by backing away from the plate. Normally the batter would stay in place as long as possible so as to not tip the play.
ETA - I don’t think the play actually worked as designed for SC. I think the umpires ultimately got the call wrong; but it was a great attempt to steal a run if SC actually did it with the intention of luring the catcher into an illegal position.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:25 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Arguing a call =\= an official challenge or review.
I didn’t say it was an official challenge.
I thought you could read better than that.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:31 am to GeorgeTheGreek
So you make that call on the assumption that the catcher is on the plate? An ump can/should call ONLY what he sees!
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:39 am to NorthstarinLA
Honestly if Neal just stays in his catchers stance until he catches the pitch he has plenty of time to make the tag. My first thought when I saw the play live was something is wrong with the catcher moving that far forward on a pitch, regardless of what the batter did. I think he stayed within the rule, but by 1/8 inch…which the umps screwed up by huddling and then deciding he did indeed cause the issue. That is what is BS. They can guess it was an issue but they can’t say they saw it. Because in fact Neal never touched the plate or got in front of it. The foul was the overturn!
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:43 am to nitwit
Proof that its a stupid rule.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 10:43 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:In officiating, you never make a judgment call and bale a team out that's on the losing side of a play. I can understand it being very close touching the plate or not, but with the runner clearly out by a mile, you never ever make that call. And you especially don't revisit it after the fact and make a judgment call that was not originally called. Close calls/ judgment calls are understandably marginal most of the time. But in this situation, it should never happen.
The call was wrong but I could see how the home plate ump second guessed his call.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 10:44 am
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