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re: The SEC needs divisions
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:19 am to Ebridg3
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:19 am to Ebridg3
Pods are an option
An example:
Pod A plays their own pod mates (3 teams), and three teams from Pod B. One team from Pod B will be a permanent opponent, the other three will rotate in at two per year (so 3/4 of the teams from that pod will be played each year). The other two league game will be half of Pod C or D. Then the other half after two years.
No matter, it’s 8 games total
( 3 + 3 + 2 ) 4 home / away
The SEC would then go to semifinals with the pods that didn’t face off in the regular season meeting in them. So it would be Pod A versus Pod C or Pod D, never Pod B.
I would divide the pods like this:
(Permanent rival)
Pod A
Texas (Aggie)
Oklahoma (Ole Miss)
Mizzou (MSU)
Arkansas (LSU)
Pod B
LSU (Arkansas)
Aggie (Texas)
Ole Miss (Oklahoma)
Moo State (Mizzou)
Pod C
Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Vandy (Kentucky)
South Carolina (Florida)
Pod D
Georgia (Auburn)
Florida (USCe)
Tennessee (Alabama)
Kentucky (Vandy)
How would a schedule look?
An example for LSU year 1 and 2
Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod C
Alabama
USCe
An example for LSU year 3 and 4
Pod A
Texas
Mizzou
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod C
Auburn
Vandy
An example for LSU year 5 and 6
Pod A
Mizzou
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod D
Georgia
Kentucky
An example for LSU year 7 and 8
Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod D
Florida
Tennessee
You see every team at least twice in an 8 year span.
If you want to complicate matters, you could go in 4 year increments and not play teams from rotating pods in back to back (home and away) years.
The Pod set up proposed above keeps the vast majority of yearly rivalries intact, allows you see conference opponents fairly regularly, and adds potential extra revenue via semifinal games.
Just my musings on this Sunday morning.
An example:
Pod A plays their own pod mates (3 teams), and three teams from Pod B. One team from Pod B will be a permanent opponent, the other three will rotate in at two per year (so 3/4 of the teams from that pod will be played each year). The other two league game will be half of Pod C or D. Then the other half after two years.
No matter, it’s 8 games total
( 3 + 3 + 2 ) 4 home / away
The SEC would then go to semifinals with the pods that didn’t face off in the regular season meeting in them. So it would be Pod A versus Pod C or Pod D, never Pod B.
I would divide the pods like this:
(Permanent rival)
Pod A
Texas (Aggie)
Oklahoma (Ole Miss)
Mizzou (MSU)
Arkansas (LSU)
Pod B
LSU (Arkansas)
Aggie (Texas)
Ole Miss (Oklahoma)
Moo State (Mizzou)
Pod C
Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Vandy (Kentucky)
South Carolina (Florida)
Pod D
Georgia (Auburn)
Florida (USCe)
Tennessee (Alabama)
Kentucky (Vandy)
How would a schedule look?
An example for LSU year 1 and 2
Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod C
Alabama
USCe
An example for LSU year 3 and 4
Pod A
Texas
Mizzou
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod C
Auburn
Vandy
An example for LSU year 5 and 6
Pod A
Mizzou
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod D
Georgia
Kentucky
An example for LSU year 7 and 8
Pod A
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas (permanent)
Pod B
Aggie
Ole Miss
Moo State
Pod D
Florida
Tennessee
You see every team at least twice in an 8 year span.
If you want to complicate matters, you could go in 4 year increments and not play teams from rotating pods in back to back (home and away) years.
The Pod set up proposed above keeps the vast majority of yearly rivalries intact, allows you see conference opponents fairly regularly, and adds potential extra revenue via semifinal games.
Just my musings on this Sunday morning.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 8:13 am
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:24 am to BornAndRaised_LA
And what do you do with those divisions? Play them off for the SEC Championship? The problem with that is it often yields a team that is inferior to the second place team in the other division.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:27 am to BornAndRaised_LA
Go back to the traditional geographic SEC with Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina. There are ten teams in these states.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:13 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
SEC needs to go back to 10 and play a round robin.
Will never happen because of money, but I would love this. I hate having all of these Big 8/Southwest Conference teams in the conference. I’d be fine keeping South Carolina with the other 10 and tell the other 5 Big 12 teams to beat it.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:03 pm to Ebridg3
quote:
we've got to make sure scheduling isn't so uneven
quote:
The SEC needs divisions
Short memory? I think you’re forgetting how lopsided the division strength in the SEC was for years when LSU, Auburn, and Bama were routinely all in the top 10-12 plus Arky, Miss St, and Ole Miss were usually ranked too. SEC West was a gauntlet, while the East was a cakewalk in comparison from the time Urban left UF until Kirby got to UGA
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/22/24 at 4:38 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
I don't think we should cut anybody loose. Vandy is a charter member, and three of the other five teams have been members for at least 12 years already (Arkansas for 32 years).
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 12/22/24 at 4:47 pm to tarzana
quote:
The SEC Needs Divisions
16 teams sensibly could be divided into two divisions; expand the SEC schedule to 9 games/ team, 7 within the division and 2 with the other division.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:06 pm to Ebridg3
It would make sense to have three.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:41 pm to tarzana
quote:
16 teams sensibly could be divided into two divisions; expand the SEC schedule to 9 games/ team, 7 within the division and 2 with the other division.
The problem with that is you have to reinstate permanent cross-division opponents to preserve historical rivalries (that, or move Auburn and Alabama to the east). With a permanent opponent you’re back to the problem we had under the old system - not seeing some opponents for like 10 years.
I think the 3+6 solution is the “least bad” answer but it wouldn’t eliminate schedule discrepancies like we saw this year. It wouldn’t just reduce them because of the 9 game format. But even that goes a long way. If you look at the hardest SEC schedule this year (Oklahoma) and the easiest (Texas), one extra game would mean:
- Texas has to play one of Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Missouri, LSU, or Auburn. Median SEC record among those teams was 5-3.
- Oklahoma has to play one of Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Florida, Texas A&M, and Georgia. Median SEC record among those teams was 3-5.
So you’re theoretically talking about adding a 5-3 team to the easiest schedule and a 3-5 team to the hardest schedule. It doesn’t fix everything, but it helps.
Of course, you could have the scenario where Texas gets Auburn and OU gets Georgia. There’s probably no perfect solution.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:11 pm to LSBoosie
quote:
Alabama and Ole Miss are out because they lost to really bad teams
Yet Clemson lost to the 3 SEC teams it played but made the playoff.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:15 pm to Timeoday
quote:
Yet Clemson lost to the 3 SEC teams it played but made the playoff.
Well one of those losses was on the playoffs so you can't really count that. Their other 2 losses are to Georgia and South Carolina. Those are both much better losses than Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Kentucky, LSU, and Florida.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:17 pm to Ebridg3
If you’re staying with 16 teams you have to go to pods. Each pod winner plays in the Semis for the conference title in week 12.
The scheduling inequalities that are going to lead to certain teams playing for the title is a bilge problem.
See: Texas this season.
The scheduling inequalities that are going to lead to certain teams playing for the title is a bilge problem.
See: Texas this season.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:22 pm to Penrod
From a nil perspective bringing in Texas and Aggies was a mistake
Let them spend their way thru another conference
Traditional sec powers are at a monetary disadvantage
Let them spend their way thru another conference
Traditional sec powers are at a monetary disadvantage
Posted on 12/22/24 at 7:32 pm to Broski
Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, Bama, aTm, and USCe were all good but flawed teams this year.
Only Texas and UGA were really playoff caliber.
Only Texas and UGA were really playoff caliber.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:44 pm to tarzana
quote:
. Of the group on the right only Kentucky and Vandy are traditional SEC teams, and I don't know if they're part of the original charter
Know your history before saying stupid stuff like this.
quote:
The Southern Conference, a super conference, consisted of 23 schools: Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Duke, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Maryland, Mississippi State, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Ole Miss, Sewanee, South Carolina, Tennessee, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Virginia, VMI, VPI and Washington and Lee.
quote:
In 1932, 13 members of the Southern Conference located west and south of the Appalachian Mountains departed to form the Southeastern Conference. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Sewanee, Tennessee, Tulane, and Vanderbilt were the founding institutions of the newly formed Southeastern Conference.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:50 pm to Ebridg3
And a 10 game conf schedule
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:52 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
From a nil perspective bringing in Texas and Aggies was a mistake
Let them spend their way thru another conference
Traditional sec powers are at a monetary disadvantage
The Longhorns & Aggies are going to be an issue in NIL particularly to LSU because of the vicinity of the schools & recruiting some of the same territory.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:30 pm to MikeTheTiger71
That beat Fla, OU Ky & Vandy which several “whiners” didn’t do.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:17 pm to Ebridg3
Nope
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:59 pm to tarzana
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