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re: The rule that should have been put in place after OU in 2003

Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:15 pm to
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
22000 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:15 pm to
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Our success, according to you, should mean we have to do more on the field than another team? You can't be serious


The SEC has been made to do more than the BIG 10 or Pac 10 and now the Big 12 since they started the SECCG in the early 90s. Why are you just realizing it now? This "having to do more" has greatly benefited LSU...without it, LSU probably doesn't have any crystal footballs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think LSU should have to play Bama again for a NC. I'm mainly trying to point out that a team shouldn't be excluded from the BCSNCG just because it didn't win its conference.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:18 pm to
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The SEC has been made to do more than the BIG 10 or Pac 10 and now the Big 12 since they started the SECCG in the early 90s. Why are you just realizing it now? This "having to do more" has greatly benefited LSU...without it, LSU probably doesn't have any crystal footballs.


Well, we're not in those conferences. I understand our benefits from the conference and the limitations placed on our program based on the level of talent/competition around us. I'm not crying about the Big 10. I simply believe you should win your conference. Importantly, I don't believe another school in your own conference should have to do less to get to the place you're striving for. It's bullshite to think that we have to do more to earn a right to play bama again. It blows my mind that this could realistically happen.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
83054 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:21 pm to
Would be a stupid rule to implement IMO
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
22000 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:25 pm to
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It's bullshite to think that we have to do more to earn a right to play bama again. It blows my mind that this could realistically happen.


Just so you know, I don't want this to happen. I hope Bama loses to State and ends this rematch talk. I just accept the fact that the BCS is a flawed system that everyone has agreed upon, and that there is a scenario that could give Bama a road to a rematch that is actually easier than ours. As absurd as that sounds, I still think the BCS is better than a playoff because this rematch stuff is very rare...it's never happened and it probably won't this year.

I brought up the playoff stuff earlier because if CFB had a playoff this rematch would have a much higher chance of happening. Bama would be in, and they'd be the 2nd best team, and LSU would almost certainly have to beat them again. Not so much with the BCS. I'm willing to live with the small chance that might play out given the alternative.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:27 pm to
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Just so you know, I don't want this to happen. I hope Bama loses to State and ends this rematch talk. I just accept the fact that the BCS is a flawed system that everyone has agreed upon, and that there is a scenario that could give Bama a road to a rematch that is actually easier than ours. As absurd as that sounds, I still think the BCS is better than a playoff because this rematch stuff is very rare...it's never happened and it probably won't this year.



Fair enough. I understand the limitations of the system, and I like the system. Would prefer a plus one but the current system is better than a playoff IMO. Further, the playoff has serious antitrust concerns that are far greater than the current system IMO.

I guess I'm just having trouble with my example that I can't seem to stop posting. haha
Posted by fjhjr08
The Kingdom
Member since Jun 2008
919 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:27 pm to
[quote]If you dont win your conference, you cannot participate in the BCS NCG.. easy, done and done.

If thy had enacted that rule in 2003 we would have never played for the NCG in 2007
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:29 pm to
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If thy had enacted that rule in 2003 we would have never played for the NCG in 2007


wait. what?
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:29 pm to
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If thy had enacted that rule in 2003 we would have never played for the NCG in 2007



No, you're wrong. We won our conference in 2007. You don't remember the SEC title game? Tenn 21-14
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15879 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:30 pm to
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If thy had enacted that rule in 2003 we would have never played for the NCG in 2007


Huh? We won the SEC in 2007.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
22000 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:35 pm to
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Would prefer a plus one


Now you're opening up another can of worms.

What if LSU and Ok St are the only undefeated teams? Why should Stanford and Bama get a shot at the title with one loss? This would hold true for Bama/Texas in 2009 and USC/Texas in 2005.

To me, the best system is the BCS rankings that would allow for up to a 4 team playoff if necessary. It would never happen, but it's what I would like to see implemented.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:36 pm
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
29476 posts
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:37 pm to
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Now you're opening up another can of worms.

What if LSU and Ok St are the only undefeated teams? Why should Stanford and Bama get a shot at the title with one loss? This would hold true for Bama/Texas in 2009 and USC/Texas in 2005.



No system is perfect. I fully understand a plus one creates other problems, but I still like the system. It keeps the bowl structure intact, which is important for college football as a whole, maintains the importance of the regular season for the most part, and still has the top four teams playing for a title in a pseudo playoff structure.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:40 pm
Posted by tiger1014
Member since Jan 2011
12710 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 12:58 am to
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This is mind blowing. Our success, according to you, should mean we have to do more on the field than another team? You can't be serious.



Bama would not be SEC champions.

But to go look at your other argument, any team coming out of the Big"12" would not have done the work we had to to get there (i.e. win a championship game).

You want them barred from participation as well?
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7708 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 1:07 am to
I don't favor it as an absolute rule, but as a general rule. There are a number of possible situations where the best team in the country might not be the conference champion and should be allowed to play in the BCS championship game.

Suppose a one-loss team in the SEC West doesn't go to Atlanta because of a head to head loss with another 1 loss West team. Secondly suppose that the one-loss who goes to Atlanta loses to a 2 or 3 loss team in Atlanta, and the one who does not go is the the highest ranking team in the country because there are no undefeated major teams. Should an one-loss OU team that doesn't play a conference championship get preference over a one-loss SEC team that didn't get to play in the conference championship. Or suppose that every other conference champion has 2 losses (ala 2007) so that the SEC team with one-loss is in all likelihood the best team in the country.

If the BCS is to work as intended, the two best teams should play, regardless. But I do think as a general proposition, a conference champion of a BCS conference should get priority, but I wouldn't create an absolute prohibition against a team that isn't a conference champion.
Posted by Geaux2002
Member since Jun 2011
3561 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:06 am to
Bama has no business in the BCS NC game unless there is no 1-loss BCS champ from one of the other conferences.

I am sorry. Bama lost at home to LSU. If LSU finishes the regular season #1, Bama has no right to be in that game. If all you have left is Boise State with 1-loss and a bunch of 2-loss teams then they earn a second shot.

Otherwise, you put a 1-loss Oregon, Stanford, OU, or Clemson in the game. As bad as it may be for some to understand, LSU and BAMA already played, and the home team lost. Replaying that game only punishes LSU for winning on multiple fronts.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
29539 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:12 am to
and we already beat oregon on a neutral site why play them on another neutral site by that logic
Posted by Geaux2002
Member since Jun 2011
3561 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 2:19 am to
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and we already beat oregon on a neutral site why play them on another neutral site by that logic


Plenty.

1) It was on a neutral site not on their home field.

2) They won their conference.

3) Why punish them for scheduling a legit OOC game?

4) First game of the season has much more variability than a team peaking in the 9th game of the season.

5) They'd have won more games than Bama because they'd play in their PAC-12 CG.

6) They'd have beaten a top 10 and higher ranked team in Stanford than Bama's best win (Arky will drop if LSU wins out) and done it on the road.

The literal only thing Bama has going for them would be that it went to OT, which cancels out with the fact they lost at home.
Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:23 am to
Bamma is the 2nd best team they should go and they will if both LSU and Bamma win out and stanford and OKstate lose. Bamma is better then those teams.

But we must win out against #4 Ark thats what they will be ranked when they come to tiger stadium. And no 10 Ga.in the seccg. This will not be easy!
Posted by Geaux2002
Member since Jun 2011
3561 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 3:55 am to
Arkansas will not be #4, so I am not sure what you are smoking, first of all.

Even if Oregon and OU win their games, they will both be ahead of them, plus Boise State and Bama.

Arky will be #6.

Furthermore, Bama had their shot and even with home field advantage didn't win the game.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 4:08 am to
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If you dont win your conference, you cannot participate in the BCS NCG.. easy, done and done.

Puts all this rematch talk to bed forever.



I think the BCS days are numbered and the playoof system is gaining traction in a couple years this will not matter.
Posted by PHXTigers
Arizona
Member since Dec 2007
784 posts
Posted on 11/7/11 at 5:43 am to
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While the BCS was criticized in 2003 for allowing Oklahoma, which didn't win its conference title, into the championship game, there's no rule to keep Alabama out.


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