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re: The rule that should have been put in place after OU in 2003
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:51 pm to lsumatt
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:51 pm to lsumatt
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Yeah, that would be great. I would love to see a 2-loss OU in (who doesn't have to play a conference Champ game) over an LSU team that dominated all year and lost the SECCG by one point.
How is OU a conference champion with an undefeated Ok St. team that beat them? Ok st. would be the conference champs, conference title game or not.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 10:52 pm
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Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:53 pm to Tiger Authority
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So LSU should have to earn the right to play Bama again by playing an additional game against a possible top ten UGA club basically on the road? I don't understand you people.
How can you be so obtuse as to not understand that the 2 best teams in the country might be in the same conference? THIS IS NOT A PLAYOFF SYSTEM. The goal of the BCS is to get the 2 best teams into the BCS Championship Game.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:53 pm to Tiger Authority
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How is OU a conference champion with an undefeated Ok St. team that beat them? Ok st. would be the conference champs, conference title game or not.
It is a hypothetical. And Oklahoma could lose to Baylor and beat Ok State (after Ok State lost to tech).
Point being I don't think a 2-loss team should go over a 1-loss team that lost their champ game
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:54 pm to medtiger
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How can you be so obtuse as to not understand that the 2 best teams in the country might be in the same conference? THIS IS NOT A PLAYOFF SYSTEM. The goal of the BCS is to get the 2 best teams into the BCS Championship Game.
Yeah the only way I understand having to play them again is in a playoff scenario. This isn't, just as you said.
I'm not being obtuse. Answer the question. We should have to play an additional game against a top ten team on the road to earn the right to have a rematch against a team that couldn't even make it out of their own division of their conference. Talk about totally inequitable.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:56 pm to lsumatt
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It is a hypothetical. And Oklahoma could lose to Baylor and beat Ok State after losing to tech.
Point being I don't think a 2-loss team should go over a 1-loss team that lost their champ game
Well in that scenario we wouldn't even be discussing OU in the title game discussion. Ok st. would still be the conference champion, having only one loss. OU would not be an issue.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:56 pm to Tiger Authority
Do you really support a 2-loss team in the NCG over an LSU team that lost by one point in the SECCG? Especially when the 2 loss team may have not even had to play a CG?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:57 pm to Tiger Authority
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So LSU should have to earn the right to play Bama again by playing an additional game against a possible top ten UGA club basically on the road? I don't understand you people.
The system in place matches up 1v2.
It is not in place to ensure fairness to having already beaten someone. If you don't like that, take it up with the system (it is an inherent flaw).
The whole "it's not fair that LSU already beat them at home so they shouldn't get to play them again" is a silly argument. If they are the number 2 team in the country, they should play for it.
I selfishly hope we don't have to play bama again. If we play 5 times, we would win 4-6 times. But they can definitely beat us on any given day. We are very close and evenly matched.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:58 pm to Tiger Authority
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Well in that scenario we wouldn't even be discussing OU in the title game discussion. Ok st. would still be the conference champion, having only one loss. OU would not be an issue.
But it could happen. We have HAD 2 loss teams in the discussion before. I can keep coming with hypotheticals which makes the rule dumb.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 10:59 pm to lsumatt
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But it could happen. We have HAD 2 loss teams in the discussion before. I can keep coming with hypotheticals which makes the rule dumb.
Yeah because everyone had two losses in the discussion. Keep coming up with them, I don't think you've proven anything thus far.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:00 pm to tiger1014
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The whole "it's not fair that LSU already beat them at home so they shouldn't get to play them again" is a silly argument. If they are the number 2 team in the country, they should play for it.
Well that isn't the argument. The argument is whether should be asked to do more to earn the right to play a team that doesn't have to do anything. And we earned this right because of our success against them on the road.
Not sure how anyone can agree with this being anything but total bullshite.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:02 pm to Tiger Authority
What do you want?
2012 Hypothetical:
1. LSU beats the crap out of great teams all year long and then loses the SECCG by one point with their star QB and RB injured
2. Every other team has 2 or more losses.
You think LSU should be left out? really?
2012 Hypothetical:
1. LSU beats the crap out of great teams all year long and then loses the SECCG by one point with their star QB and RB injured
2. Every other team has 2 or more losses.
You think LSU should be left out? really?
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:03 pm to Tiger Authority
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I'm not being obtuse.
Yes, you are. You keep ignoring my point.
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Answer the question. We should have to play an additional game against a top ten team on the road to earn the right to have a rematch against a team that couldn't even make it out of their own division of their conference.
If that team (Bama) is determined to be the 2nd best team at the end of the season after all the games are played, then yes, we should have to play them again. Even if that means we had to play an extra game to get there.
Do you think the 2007 Patriots were happy about having to play the Giants again? Should we have cancelled the Super Bowl that year since they already beat them in the regular season? I know it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, but it gets my point across.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:04 pm to lsumatt
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1. LSU beats the crap out of great teams all year long and then loses the SECCG by one point with their star QB and RB injured
2. Every other team has 2 or more losses.
You think LSU should be left out? really?
Well that is what would happen. You think us losing to UGA is going to keep us in the top 2 in the BCS? Doubted. I think Bama goes to the NC, UGA to Sugar, and we're sitting in Dallas or Orlando saying wtf.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:04 pm to Xenophon
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If you dont win your conference, you cannot participate in the BCS NCG.
Would you please magically grow a brain? Conference affiliations are nothing more than geographic alignments. Conference championships have nothing to do with the most deserving teams.
By your reasoning the Big East champ is more deserving of the BCSNCG than a one loss LSU, Alabama or Arkansas.
Good grief man, think before you post.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:06 pm to medtiger
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If that team (Bama) is determined to be the 2nd best team at the end of the season after all the games are played, then yes, we should have to play them again. Even if that means we had to play an extra game to get there.
This is mind blowing. Our success, according to you, should mean we have to do more on the field than another team? You can't be serious.
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Do you think the 2007 Patriots were happy about having to play the Giants again? Should we have cancelled the Super Bowl that year since they already beat them in the regular season? I know it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, but it gets my point across.
Why are you bringing up a playoff. I already said in this thread that a playoff would make sense for two teams to play each other again. This system does not.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:06 pm to Tiger Authority
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You think us losing to UGA is going to keep us in the top 2 in the BCS?
In my 2012 scenario where LSU has 1 loss and every other team has 2? Absolutely we would be in the top 2 of the BCS. And you want us to stay home.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:09 pm to lsumatt
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In my 2012 scenario where LSU has 1 loss and every other team has 2? Absolutely we would be in the top 2 of the BCS. And you want us to stay home.
Actually, I just want Bama to stay home. But I've said a million times prior to this game that the loser didn't deserve to play the other in the NC game. That was the game in my eyes. But now people want to argue that we should have to do more on the field than a team we beat to get the privilege of playing the team we beat.
This post was edited on 11/6/11 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:11 pm to Xenophon
I agree if they remove the rule about only having two teams from one conference.
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:12 pm to Tiger Authority
Okay, so you agree that there are scenarios where a non-conference champ could be the best option.
If there are legitimate contenders, I am fairly certain bama gets left out. The voters have enough power to make that happen. Florida was qualified in 2006 so they went.
bama only goes if the options are crap
If there are legitimate contenders, I am fairly certain bama gets left out. The voters have enough power to make that happen. Florida was qualified in 2006 so they went.
bama only goes if the options are crap
Posted on 11/6/11 at 11:14 pm to lsumatt
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Okay, so you agree that there are scenarios where a non-conference champ could be the best option.
Yeah, you can conjure up hypotheticals involving multiple two loss teams, a one loss team losing in their title game, and being left out, etc. But I still think that you should win your conference to have the opportunity. If you don't like it, get out of the conference and join an easier one. You benefit from the money. And the money is there because of the level of play.
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