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The Rise of the Tide (and the fall of the Tiger)

Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:01 am
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:01 am
I think most people on this board would admit that when Saban finally landed at Bama they were (1) angry, and (2) certain that he could not attain the level of success at Bama that he did at LSU.

As I remember it, most felt that he would not win because he would not be able to recruit the same quality of athletes, that he would not win because he would not be able to recruit because he was now viewed as untrustworthy, that he would not win because he would not stay and deal with the Bama fanbase, etc.

We are now 2.5 years into the Nick Saban experiment at Bama and we have seen that he can recruit to Bama, perhaps better than he recruited to LSU. We have seen that people do not care about his untrustworthiness in the past, and we have seen that he really does not pay any attention to the Bama fanbase.

Furthermore, all signs indicate, much to the LSU fanbase dismay, that Saban has no intentions of leaving Bama until retirement.

Obviously things are not bad in BR. We are top 10 BCS school and loaded with talent for years to come.

However, I cannot help but feel that LSU is on the way down from the pinnacle and that Bama is on the way up.

Just three years in, most on this board seem to think that the Bama game is a sure loss (most thought that last year as well to be honest).

What have we learned in the last three years? Will Saban be more successful at Bama than he was at LSU? Has the rise of the Tide with Saban pushed LSU down a rung or two, and if so, will LSU be able to overcome it?
Posted by SlyCorley98
Lake Charles
Member since Mar 2007
134 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:05 am to
Only the delusional thought Saban would not do well at bama.

LSUs decline has nothing to do with bama or its coaches. It has everything to do with LSU and its coaches.

PERIOD.
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:06 am to
quote:

What have we learned in the last three years?


We have learned that there will always be an oversupply of posters who are obsessed with Saban, no matter how tiresome and repetitive their commentary becomes.
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22503 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:08 am to
quote:

LSUs decline has nothing to do with bama or its coaches. It has everything to do with LSU and its coaches.

PERIOD.
I'm not ready to say LSU's decline; I'm more ready to say to Coach Miles - wake up and see the talent you're wasting on this team! Coach them up and LSU will be on top for years to come. Rely on talent alone and LSU will drop like yesterday's digested burrito.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:08 am to
Pretty much how I see it

Saban might be the best CFB coach in the land

He can rebuild in a hurry ....His defense is ridiculous..hard hitting, aggressive and confusing... Look what he did to Arkansas 35-7 a pretty good offense.

Saban isn't perfect, but in my mind he is the best in the business, so obviously we need to pray he has QB issues in the near future

He has a great D, depth, and a great running game, and they are well coached...they won't beat themselves...
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:08 am to
What is this decline ya'll speak of?
Posted by SlyCorley98
Lake Charles
Member since Mar 2007
134 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:10 am to
quote:

I'm not ready to say LSU's decline;


The decline is here. How bad and how long are yet to be determined though.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:10 am to
quote:

What have we learned in the last three years?


that we have a bunch of fans who are whining little bitches...
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
Back Home now
Member since Sep 2006
61109 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:10 am to
If you mean the Auburn tiger I agree.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:12 am to
quote:

The decline is here. How bad and how long are yet to be determined though.


Again...what decline are you talking about?
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
18023 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:12 am to
Saban's an excellent college coach. The only thing that has surprised me is how quickly things turned around for Bama. He's done a good job with the team thus far. I still don't like him.
Posted by ellis mike the tiger
Member since Mar 2009
333 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:12 am to
There is no decline of LSU. It's called the toughest conference in the country drawing in some of the best coaches in the game in the last few years (or at least the right coaches for their respective programs), which makes the recruiting a little more even, making all games a little tougher than they used to be.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:14 am to
You do realize that you can't do any better than winning a SEC and a National Championship?
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:15 am to
LSU is 1-1 versus Alabama under Saban.

Many would argue that we should be 2-0.

Let's see what happens this year. I concede nothing until the scoreboard demands it.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72976 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:16 am to
I think LSU fans know what is happening in their gut but they just don't want to face reality because of how fun the last ten years has been. But Saban will be at Bama for a long time and the roles that LSU and Bama played for the last ten years have flipped in the sense that Bama is slowly gaining the upper hand in coaching and recruiting will follow from that. We are slipping into 9-3 or 8-4 territory for the forseeable future. I call it the Fulmer Syndrome.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56369 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:17 am to
quote:

Again...what decline are you talking about?


Losses to the following last year:

Arkansas, Ole Miss, Bama, Florida, AND GA.

Pretty mediocre for a program poking out its chest wouldnt you say?

Posted by SlyCorley98
Lake Charles
Member since Mar 2007
134 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:18 am to
quote:

There is no decline of LSU. It's called the toughest conference in the country drawing in some of the best coaches in the game in the last few years


That "tough conference" does not seem to be phasing that red and white team a couple states to our East. Going UNDEFEATED after a 6-6 season, something that didnt even come close to happeneing with the best talent that this school has ever seen under Miles' watch. Not to mention, that team could be well on thier way to going undefeated again this season. They dont seem to be worried about a tough conference.

No decline? 7-5 last season. Lackluster performes this whole year, as well as an offense ranked in the 100s. Seems like a slight decline to me.

Maybe LSU fans have subconciously lowered expectations.
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15520 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:19 am to
Hold on to yo britches...





Maybe someone will offer him a bunch of money. He and his wife are from West Virginia.

Posted by LC412000
Any location where a plane flies
Member since Mar 2004
16673 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:19 am to
DeltaDoc...I thought you had a good post and I agree with the majority of it.

Honestly, I first thought that Coach Saban would be the ONE college coach who could succeed in the NFL. I was very much surprised that he was not able to turn the Dolphin franchise around. I recall telling people that I thought he would have Miami back in the Super Bowl within 4 years. His one MAJOR mistake in Miami was courting and selecting Culpepper over Brees. I think that if he goes after Brees, he would still be in Miami today and leaving at the end of the season for Notre Dame.

At this time I honestly see him remaining in Alabama for the rest of his coaching days. What I see for LSU is the same fate as Texas and Oklahoma. Our seasons will be good seasons with everything hinging on the game with Alabama. I believe that we will win once or twice against Bama every five years.

Just my opinion
Posted by fabtigers
Charleston, SC
Member since Dec 2008
850 posts
Posted on 10/19/09 at 11:19 am to
I don't see Saban winning an SEC Champ at bama anytime soon. I still think LSU wins the west and gets another chance to play Florida again! No decline here!
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