re: The Rise of the Tide (and the fall of the Tiger)

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IMO yes, he will be at bama longer than he was at LSU. He has no aspirations for the NFL in the back of his mind.

He is %100 focused on winning national championships at alabama.

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Not sure if I agree with this statement...I've always thought Saban likes a challenge more than monetary considerations. After the '03 NC, he was quite a bit different on the sidelines during the '04 season...he seemed to lack the "fire" he had prior to the NC.

Having said that, we all change as we mature, so maybe he is ready to "settle" somewhere for awhile. I just don't believe he'll be at Bama forever.

Not to go off in another direction, but lots of people in Dallas believe Jerry Jones will try to throw tons of money at NS to rescue the Cowboys. I don't know enough about his current contract at Bama to understand if that is logical or not.

I read all kind of posts guessing how long Saban will be at Bama. Why? Because most people think that our coach will not be able to compete with Saban in the long run - our only hope is for Saban to leave and hope Bama makes a bad hire thereby increasing LSU's chances of beating them. This is not my opinion, but it seems to be the underlying feelings behind these types of posts.

They're already predicting Cincinatti to go to the Sugar Bowl. Let's say Bama goes there as well. If they choke again to a team people expect them to beat, then there will be no excuses. The Saban honeymoon will be over. Now if LSU goes to the Cotton Bowl or Capital One Bowl and win, then then you can't just say that LSU is declining as fast as Bama is rising.

FWIW:

Bama was not losing like LSU was when Saban first started there. The only thing he really did other than bring talent there is change their entitlement mentality. He had to take away the perception from players/fans that Bama should win because of Bear Bryant and that any future coach that roamed the sidelines with him or associated with Bama in some way should somehow be successful like him. Bama had talent before Saban came. Look at who is starting on the OL and on the defense. It's just that they needed someone to change the way they look at things regarding winning. Saban did that and they eventually bought in and that's how they're at where they're at now.

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What have we learned in the last three years?

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Obviously sonnyboy, we have learned that you having nick the midgets pubic hair in your eyes keeps you from actually looking around and knowing what you are talking about.

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LSUs decline

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When your own top, there is nowhere to go but down. Even OU in the 40's, Nebraska, Miami and FSU of the 90's have a rough year here or there. Bama was way down and is riding an upswing. LSU is already at the top and much like anything in life, complacincy breeds contempt and out come the rantards and haters who hate their #9 ranked team with their one loss to the defending national champions.
I really wish some rantards on here would get some perspective of what it was like for us who were fans pre 2003.

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something that didnt even come close to happeneing with the best talent that this school has ever seen under Miles' watch.

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2005: One regular season loss in OT. That's not coming close to going undefeated?

2007: Two regular season losses in triple OT. That's not coming close to going undefeated?

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7-5 last season. Lackluster performes this whole year, as well as an offense ranked in the 100s. Seems like a slight decline to me.

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More than a slight decline. It's a falling-off-a-cliff caliber decline.

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Only the delusional thought Saban would not do well at bama.

LSUs decline has nothing to do with bama or its coaches. It has everything to do with LSU and its coaches.

PERIOD.

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Delta Doc,

How long has Saban been at Bama? How many SEC championships has he won? How bad did he get beat in the Sugar Bowl last year by a non-BCS conference team? Is this year's season complete? What is LSU's record right now? What is our ranking?

Do you see my point here? Do I need to keep asking questions?

Get a life, your post is silly. Until Bama wins an SEC and or NC don't make such goofy assumptions. Bama hasn't won jack crap this year except mental BJ's from the media that always jumps Alabama to the top if they just hear they may be good. There's no reason why they will have more success than LSU in the next 5 years even with the same coaches at both schools.

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Delta Doc,

How long has Saban been at Bama? How many SEC championships has he won? How bad did he get beat in the Sugar Bowl last year by a non-BCS conference team? Is this year's season complete? What is LSU's record right now? What is our ranking?

Do you see my point here? Do I need to keep asking questions?

Get a life, your post is silly. Until Bama wins an SEC and or NC don't make such goofy assumptions. Bama hasn't won jack crap this year except mental BJ's from the media that always jumps Alabama to the top if they just hear they may be good. There's no reason why they will have more success than LSU in the next 5 years even with the same coaches at both schools.

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You may have some mental/emotional issues if you have watched Bama and LSU play the last two seasons and cannot see that the programs are headed in opposite directions.

You know it in your gut, but you are trying to be positive simly for positives sake. You know that Miles is ruining this program.

Sure LSU has caught some bad breaks, RP being a huge one. Guess what, we averaged 31 points per game last year without RP. Now we have a defense and our offense is rated in the 100s...an offense that is filled with 4 and 5 star athletes and it is rated in the 100s.

Look, I understand your mindset to a degree...positivity breeds positive actions. That is true if you have something that you in particular can do about the situation. You being positive in this case is not going to make Miles a better coach or Saban a worse coach.

Facts are facts, LSU is 5-1 and rated in the top 10 in the BCS. After the Auburn game last year, LSU was a top 5 team because they are were rated high based on personnel in the pre-season.

What have you seen from LSU this season that would merit being in the top 10 if it were not for pre-season rankings? Was the come from behind victory over a horrible UGA team? What about coming an inch a way from a loss to Moo State? Was it the dominating wins over ULaLa and Vandy?

You need to look at things reasonably. Here is the deal, just because I may believe LSU is currently in a downward trend, does not mean I believe they are horrible, 1990s bad. It means that they are no longer one of THE ELITE. Conversely, Bama is perhaps replacing us as the SEC West's Elite program. You can deny it all you want, but that does not mean it is not true.

I didn't read all five pages, so I apologize if I repeat what someone else said. I was never angry at Saban for leaving LSU. He wanted to take a shot at the highest level in his profession after reaching the pinnacle at the college ranks. It didn't work out in the NFL so he came back to college. I was upset about him going to Bama because I knew he would turn them around, and recruit like hell in our backyard. Since then we won another national championship, and continued to recruit extremely well.

What bothers me now is that watching Bama play looks like we used to look, especially on defense. I am not anti-Miles, in fact I like Les Miles. However, it is hard to argue the fact that our performance on the field has dropped despite the fact that we are just as talented as Bama and Florida. Is it coaching? Is it the scheme? Are our players overrated? I don't know. The Tide is definitely back, and they ain't going anywhere anytime soon. We need to reclaim our place among the elite in the SEC, I don't think we are there right now.