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re: The reason behind the anti-Bama sentiment

Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10733 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:42 pm to
Playing bama again does no good. Opens a big can of worms is all it can do. If LSU wins, of course they won, they beat them once already, no surprise there. The question is could they have beaten OSU and their high powered offense.
If LSU loses, it proves nothing, other than bama beat them the 2nd time, the question of who is better would remain.

Play OSU and all those worms stay in the can.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:44 pm to
agreed
Posted by LATeeJay
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
276 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

CapstoneGrad04


I can't seem to remember WHERE did bama lose?

See how stupid arguments work?
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17501 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:45 pm to
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Play OSU and all those worms stay in the can.


Agreed. If LSU beats Bama again and OSU, as Big12 Champ wins its BCS bowl, you have an unnecessary and valid controversy.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83167 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

There is the assumption that a rematch would not be granted the other way around.Then that's an IDIOTIC assumption. It disregards everything said about an LSU loss contingency prior to the Nov 5th game.

I think the point is if the first game was at Tiger Stadium and LSU lost, would there be a rematch? I dunno.
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3385 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

I think the point is if the first game was at Tiger Stadium and LSU lost, would there be a rematch?


Ding Ding!!! Winnah!! I seriously doubt it.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31969 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:52 pm to
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Great points and I completely agree. I also just keep going back to the fact that the only people in this world that want a rematch are losers. Bama is the loser, so they are crying for a rematch.



Another reason I think bama shouldn't play, along with my other reasons of them not winning their division or their conference, is that I keep hearing "well we don't have a playoff system because that's why we have the regular season." If that's truly the case, then we've already eliminated Bama from that BCS CG.
Posted by PatriotAlum
Birmingham, AL
Member since Jan 2007
59 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:57 pm to
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1. This rematch talk stands conventional thinking on its head. College football operates under the assumption of lose and you're out. If you lose, it's out of your hands. While I know the BCS does not exclude rematches, conferences are set up, and have historically been set up to determine a champion. Said champion is awarded the opportunity to play against another conference champion (or at least a team from another conference) because of College football teams play roughly 10% of the available teams. That's a pretty small sample when compared to other sports. To omit and exclude the sample pool from the other 90% of teams, several of which have comparable resumes (OSU and VT in particular), has not been the way it works. This is irksome.

2. There is the assumption that a rematch would not be granted the other way around. I think there is a feeling that a rematch would not occur if it were any team other than Bama. Had LSU lost, they would be looking in. To compare, would you see Arkansas, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, or Auburn with the identical resume being propped up for a rematch?


This is complete conjecture and completely false. The BCS rules address a situation where two teams from the same conference play in the NC game even when neither won the conference. Clearly, the BCS expects rematches and expects teams to end up in the NC game even if they don't win their conference. LSU fans act like they are getting cheated. If anyone is cheated, it would be OSU. But OSU's coach told reporters today that although he doesn't have a vote, if he did, he would vote Bama #2, OSU #3. I don't know if I would call it fear, but I would call it concern. If we had a +1 4-team playoff, Bama and LSU would still end up playing in a rematch. It would just happen a week later. Rematches happen in all other levels of football, high-school FCS, NFL, etc. Heck, if Virginia Tech wins the ACC, it will be in a rematch game against Clemson.
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6851 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:57 pm to
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wahoocs
Best summation I've read to date.

Spot on.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13065 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:02 pm to
It is not "anti-Bama sentiment":
It simply places LSU in a "No win" situation.
If we win (Again! ) against Bama, nothing is affirmed. We've already beaten them on the road.
And others (Okie state, Stanford, etc.) will claim the title is tarnished, b/c they didn't get a shot at all.
And we have to beat the same, excellent team TWICE to claim the title.
It's fair to no one.
Posted by Thunder Tiger
Member since Sep 2011
2608 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:02 pm to
PatriotAlum, as has already been discussed ad nauseum, how would you like it if the roles were reversed, and the Tide had to beat LSU twice to win the BCS, yet LSU would only have to beat the Tide once to win the BCS? Are you gonna tell me you would've thought that was fair?
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17501 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

This is complete conjecture and completely false. The BCS rules address a situation where two teams from the same conference play in the NC game even when neither won the conference.


How is my opinion on the mood of the fans false? Of course it's conjecture--everything is. I said it's permitted by the BCS but in-conference rematches in bowl-games goes against historical trends. Do you disagree?

quote:

LSU fans act like they are getting cheated.
Exactly my point. It's anoying for the reasons I listed. We're not feeling cheated or scared.

quote:

If anyone is cheated, it would be OSU.

That's true

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But OSU's coach told reporters today that although he doesn't have a vote, if he did, he would vote Bama #2, OSU #3.


coachspeak

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If we had a +1 4-team playoff, Bama and LSU would still end up playing in a rematch.
Maybe, but we don't have that system

quote:

Rematches happen in all other levels of football, high-school FCS, NFL, etc.

Yeah, but no other level of football is remotely close to FBS in post season structure

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Heck, if Virginia Tech wins the ACC, it will be in a rematch game against Clemson.

not a bowl game. Irrelevant
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 3:10 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

I can't seem to remember - who did OkSt lose to?


I can't seem to remember - who did The University of the Damned at Tuscaloosa beat?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37127 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:36 pm to
quote:


I can't seem to remember - who did OkSt lose to?



I can't seem to remember - who did The University of the Damned at Tuscaloosa beat?



1) anorexia
2) the rap
3) arkansas
Posted by Common sence
Gilbert ,Az
Member since Nov 2009
1013 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:39 pm to
It's all LSU faulf, we did not beat them by a couple of tds.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:43 pm to
U are exactly right. How many times do we have to beat the gumps before they shut up? 23 times? If we play again we beat them much more than in T-town If u don't win the Con.u don't play in the NCG!
Posted by bojabu
Member since Sep 2010
1275 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:44 pm to
It comes down to weight of what you think is important. Is putting the best two teams on the field important? If so, rematch. If you think the teams who earned the right to play for the championship should play, (if OK state wins vs OK) then it's OK St and Lsu.

The truth is Alabama and Lsu have been ranked so highly throughout the season because they have played well and are in the SEC. OKST has beaten almost as many good teams as Lsu has, and IMO deserves to be #2 based on resume`. But do I think head to head OKST could beat Alabama? F*ck no. They'd get destroyed. But, playing a tougher schedule has to mean something, doesn't it?
Posted by BamasBack
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2007
306 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:47 pm to
After the 2007 season, LSU can't bitch about a "losing and your out" Bama playing for it all.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31969 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:50 pm to
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After the 2007 season, LSU can't bitch about a "losing and your out" Bama playing for it all.



Who won the SEC that year?
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35785 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Who won the SEC that year?


UGA
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 3:52 pm
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