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Madking
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
When it’s always everyone else’s fault, Peetz, the Oline, the Running game, the WRs, but it’s never Max’s you’re just making excuses based on bias.


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LSUfan4444
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
Its not either or


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Scoob
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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Max looked better last season with Ensminger calling plays. In the last 2 games we were using back-ups at RB, had essentially the same WRs and TE but Max looked more comfortable as a true FR.

Peetz is a first time play caller. Plays are coming in too slow, adjustments aren't being made and there is no flow to the play calling.
Problem is
D: All of the Above

Peetz is trying to run the same offensive scheme; against UCLA he was doing it against Chip Kelly. A guy that had seen Payton's (not Brady, but actual Payton) offenses in the NFL, with Brees (not a freshman, but an experienced HoF QB) running it. And coming from the Pacific NW, had some knowledge of seeing the Seahawks battle the Payton offenses.
There are schemes to defend a 2015 Brees/Payton offense, that translate well into defending a 2021 Peetz offense. Can your defense run it? Helps to be loaded with experienced guys, helps more to face a young QB making reads slower, and a new group of WRs and backs (of which only Boutte is currently making any plays).

Objectively, I think that might have tainted Johnson, so vs McNeese to some degree he was still skittish. He just needs to flush that game and move on.

I'd say if this was a college class in "Running the QB spot", Johnson is passing, but with an 80 or so, and takes the whole timeframe to finish the test. We ignore that Burrow was getting 100's and turning in the test in 15 minutes.
Nussmeier isn't passing it yet, and Brennan is probably near a 90, but not able to play. And Finley dropped the class.


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LSU CrayCray
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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Max looked better last season with Ensminger calling plays. In the last 2 games we were using back-ups at RB, had essentially the same WRs and TE but Max looked more comfortable as a true FR.

Peetz is a first time play caller. Plays are coming in too slow, adjustments aren't being made and there is no flow to the play calling. Boutte made mention of this as well. We have two coordinators learning on the job. One would be bad, but two is a disaster.


It is definitely Peetz! You pretty much summed it up! Max was way more confident last year with the coaches, and the playing calling was way better. Peetz is too new to all this!


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LSU CrayCray
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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None of those things have to do with a new OC / playcaller.

Max has regressed. I don't know why.

It's one thing to say he's not being given the proper plays / put in the proper places. I get that. But where Max is struggling is basic QB s


Everything has to do with play calling and Peetz. Max has regressed. Why? Peetz is an UNDER-qualified OC!


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Vacherie Saint
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
Max looks exactly the same as last year. And that should make us all a little nervous since you would expect a huge leap as a sophomore


Sissidog02
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
But his Dad played the same way, except his old man had the best D in football


Pickett3143
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
Max can’t reAd a defense how hard is it to check down when you see an all out blitz have one play that works stop looking to the sideline for an answer. He lacks football iq not to mention he is a statue back there if the qb is gonna run for their life at least let nuss do it he is clearly the only one that can throw on the run


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Daequalizer
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
He's retreating in the pocket because he's running for his life every play.


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ForeverEllisHugh
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
LSU should never have first-time playcallers as coordinators. Having two is just unacceptable.

It seems like O knew this when he paired Brady with E, but all of his sense has clearly left the building.


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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
Nuss will prove to be the best QB for this offense before the season is over...and probably after about 4 losses. Max just isn't dynamic enough for this oline incompetence. Nuss can create, Max is probably a better drop back passer, but there just isn't enough time for receivers to run a route tree...so we just throw 5 yard turnarounds. that isn't going to win many games. 305 yds or offense against McNeese is virtually no offense at all.


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Eternally Undefeated
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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We called one run that I can recall where the RB was allowed a head a steam before getting the ball. On that play the RB (Goodwin) gained 20 yds.

Having TDP start every run at a dead stop is a travesty IMO. His game is based on momentum and power and he has none of it generated when he is handed the ball at a standstill. That philosophy make work fine with CEH or Kiner but TDP needs that running start to be effective IMO.




Amen to all of this. Our "running game" reminds me of the Miles era. "Hey, Defense. This is the one guy who can get the ball to run and he's only going to run up the middle. There will be no fakes to anyone else. There will be no threat to sweep the end."


memphis tiger
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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The problem is Peetz, not Max


The problem might Peetz AND Max.

Max has not played well at all. Sure he hasn’t had much help but there have been easy plays to make and he’s not made them.

Terrible throws
Terrible reads
And hasn’t shown anything with his legs


ForeverEllisHugh
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Having TDP start every run at a dead stop is a travesty IMO.


Agreed on this. I thought maybe we needed a fullback, but I think just going up under center with one back would be enough.


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Madking
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
We won’t know what Peetz can do until we put the right personnel on the field. What’s he supposed to call when TDP can only run between the guards and can’t do anything in the passing game outside of blitz pickup? What’s he supposed to call when the QB can only execute throws within a 10-15 yard box, can’t adjust protections and can’t make accurate throws? Yes the Oline is sub par but we’re only exacerbating the problem by restricting the play calling with players that don’t fit the offense.


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lostinbr
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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Amen to all of this. Our "running game" reminds me of the Miles era. "Hey, Defense. This is the one guy who can get the ball to run and he's only going to run up the middle. There will be no fakes to anyone else. There will be no threat to sweep the end."

They started showing some creativity in the running game late against McNeese. Which I thought was odd timing, but was at least a little encouraging. If nothing else I’m confident that we have more than simple zones in the playbook.

Regardless of what we run, the OL execution is going to have to get a lot better if we’re going to move the ball at all on the ground.


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Scoob
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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None of those things have to do with a new OC / playcaller.

Max has regressed. I don't know why.
He's regressed because UCLA, plain and simple.

LSU entered that game with 1 established WR, an O Line that was behind in coaching, 1 experienced RB (essential for protection) that isn't an effective runner in this scheme. And a young QB trying to make reads, figure out what to do and where to go, and then decide if he can trust the open guy his keys point to.
Notice how every LSU drive seemed like a lot of hard work, no great rhythm or tempo, no flashy plays. It was a hard grind, from getting the play, to making the reads, to trying to get the ball moved.

UCLA's defense confused everyone, stuffed the run (made the team one-dimensional), and then drilled Johnson in the chest every time they got a shot... and they got a lot of shots.


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semjase
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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Carolina was ok with letting Peetz walk
So was Arkansas (And OL Specialist HC Sam Pittman) with Brad Davis.

BD gone and look how good they looked against Texas.

Who did Pittman find so fast to replace Davis? (After he ran off to Lame Duck Orgeron)


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Hot Carl
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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I agree Max has missed plays, but last season he made plays while getting hit, felt pressure and navigated the pocket well and showed more poise.

The difference this season is the guy calling the plays.


Not necessarily. Max got a lot of praise last year for going into the Swamp and winning a big game. But let’s be honest—that wasn’t “The Swamp.” They only allowed 17,000 fans to be in attendance. Weren’t a ton of fans in Tiger Stadium for the game against Ole Miss. so this “poise” Max convinced you of was done without the pressure of playing in front of 100,000 fans. There’s huge pressure for even LSU players to play in front of that many fans in Tiger Stadium, even if their “your fans.” Even more pressure playing in a packed road SEC stadium screaming as loud as they can while you have the ball.

The fact is last year was the easiest year ever play QB, because there was simply not nearly the same amount of pressure as a normal season. NFL QBs dominated last year because they could communicate easily with their OCs on their headsets and their teammates on the field. That part was too easy. And the no fans greatly diminished the pressure.

I was concerned with this in all sports last year. Most games seemed like exhibitions and had more of a feeling of not really counting. I was careful not to buy into any young guys—in any sport—looking great for being so young because a lot of them were playing in front of crowds made up of cardboard cut outs of real people. And I didn’t trust it.

Your premise is stupid that “the problem” has to be one or the other, because 1) they could both be bad, and 2) it implies there’s just 1 problem. Our OL sucks, no getting around that. Peetz may also be a bad play caller right now. And Max could be somebody who doesn’t handle pressure well, because this is the 1st time he’s had to really deal with it at LSU. And let’s be honest, he really hasn’t had to deal with any, compared to what he’s got coming up. And I, for one, am not very optimistic that he will handle it well.


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BigBrod81
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re: The problem is Peetz, not Max
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Max looks exactly the same as last year. And that should make us all a little nervous since you would expect a huge leap as a sophomore


It's extremely worrisome being that Max is the son of a former NFL QB. Max has been afforded a gift of having a dad who he can pick his brain about defenses & coverages yet the kid struggles with presnap reads a lot of times.


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