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re: The playoffs are not designed to get the 12 BEST teams.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:07 am to MasterKnight
Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:07 am to MasterKnight
quote:I would seed them similar to the way they do in the basketball tournament with weight being given to strength of schedule and for the teams who get in because we have to give spots to crappy conferences seeded at the bottom and certainly without a bye.
How would you seed them?
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 12:24 am to geauxpurple
You want to use a system that is designed to get 64 teams into a basketball tournament over the course of 30 plus games with each conference having it's own tournament to a college football season with 12 games?
Good luck. If that is the case, the SEC and Big10 will have the only conferences being represented in the CFP along with ND as the lone outsider.
I was specifically asking how would someone seed this CFP bracket now? 1-12
Good luck. If that is the case, the SEC and Big10 will have the only conferences being represented in the CFP along with ND as the lone outsider.
I was specifically asking how would someone seed this CFP bracket now? 1-12
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:01 am to Howyouluhdat
They got teams with good “records” not résumé’! I’m ok with the selected field, the committee got a good cross section of college foo5ball teams but the seedlings need to be changed, evidence my the first round with no good games!
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:05 am to tibebecolston
Well after their first round bye both Boise State and Arizona State are 60-1 odds to win it all.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:10 am to tygerphan
quote:A 4 team playoff determined by BCS rankings would be damn near perfect. Nobody outside the top 4 would ever win anyway.
There's no perfect system.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:18 am to MetArl15
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A 4 team playoff determined by BCS rankings would be damn near perfect. Nobody outside the top 4 would ever win anyway.
I don’t recall where Ohio St was in the computers in 2014, but there is a good chance they would not have been in the Top 4 of a BCS style formula that year when they won that season. 1977 and 2007 are two years that jump out off the top of my head where the qualifications of the Top 4 were not that much better than the next 4-6 teams. Even this year, after Oregon, #2-#6 are not that different from one another with #6 Ohio St looking as good as anyone.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to toratiger
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12 best resumes.
Im ok with this. Teams that play tougher schedules will be afforded more losses than teams that dont.
However, especially with the new conference additions, the SEC will cannibalize each other and 2nd tier SEC teams will get left out in favor of lesser teams from weaker conferences. But at least we'll be debating who should be #11 or #12 .
Its probably as good as we can get. Think about it, we used to play all the bowls with conference tie ins and then argue about who was #1. Then with the bcs we would argue about who was deserving of the #2 spot in the championship game, then came the 4 team playoff, it was about who should have been #4. Now with 12 teams, we debate who is #12, so at least we know the top teams are in there. I could do without the byes though.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:31 am to toratiger
Did you notice, all the home teams won.
Tennessee played like a team that was cold and stiff. 25 degree temp will do that to ya.
Ohio St played like a well oiled machine.
To make them equal, All games should be played in a domed stadium.
Tennessee played like a team that was cold and stiff. 25 degree temp will do that to ya.
Ohio St played like a well oiled machine.
To make them equal, All games should be played in a domed stadium.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:36 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:36 am to MikeTheTiger71
The only argument against OSU that year would have been TCU, who likely doesn’t come close to winning it all.
I will concede that once they implemented the no sit portal, there is more parity between the 4-8 teams. The 12 team playoff only makes sense I suppose when you intentionally handicap teams from being any good. I saw a lot of mediocrity this weekend while still having blowouts. That’s not any fun at all.
I will concede that once they implemented the no sit portal, there is more parity between the 4-8 teams. The 12 team playoff only makes sense I suppose when you intentionally handicap teams from being any good. I saw a lot of mediocrity this weekend while still having blowouts. That’s not any fun at all.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:51 am to toratiger
Topic is utterly silly. NO ONE knows who the "BEST" teams are! NO ONE! Exactly the same situation in basketball BTW. This will be my one response to this topic as I will take my own advice and skip stupid topics. But I am so damned tired of people saying this team should be in, that team shouldn't be in, blah, blah, blah. EVERY SINGLE TEAM had HUGE blemishes on their "resume" once you got near the cut off line. That is EXACTLY why 12 teams getting in is a joke! There aren't 12 teams that have distinguished themselves as one of the 12 best. DUH!
Having criticized this topic as ridiculous, this is a free speech forum so maybe after people whine and criticize enough, Dr Who will take us back in the Tardis and we will replay multiple timelines to find out the answer.
Having criticized this topic as ridiculous, this is a free speech forum so maybe after people whine and criticize enough, Dr Who will take us back in the Tardis and we will replay multiple timelines to find out the answer.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:51 am to toratiger
Strength of schedule needs to be weighted more heavily If you want to play for a Championship, your SOS needs to be at LEAST in the top 40, maybe 30. If a school just wants a gaudy record and a trip to the Gasparillia bowl, then by all means schedule U of S Alabama, or Ohio University , Rutgers etc etc !
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:44 am to nicholastiger
Yet Clemson is the only team that looked like it could complete.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:53 am to NotaStarGazer
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EVERY SINGLE TEAM had HUGE blemishes on their "resume" once you got near the cut off line. That is EXACTLY why 12 teams getting in is a joke! There aren't 12 teams that have distinguished themselves as one of the 12 best. DUH!
That actually is EXACTLY why there are 12 teams in the field. That way the teams on the wrong side of the cut line really don’t have any legitimate argument to being one of the best. It could potentially be an 8-team field without auto bids, but I suspect part of your argument is that we don’t know how good teams are across conferences when they don’t play each other. Maybe it could be 10, but there’s not a lot of difference there if you’re going an extra round anyway.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 9:54 am to toratiger
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They got the teams with the 12 best resumes.
They got the teams with the 12 best records from power conferences. SoS had little to do with it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:45 am to toratiger
Participation trophies
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:36 pm to ManyTiger
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They may have a better win than teams that are in, but losing to Vandy & Oklahoma is just not acceptable. Those two teams would have struggled to have a winning record in either the Big 12 or ACC.
I completely disagree with this. Vandy and Oklahoma had two of the toughest schedules in the entire country. I don’t think either team would have struggled to have a winning record in the ACC or Big 12. In fact, I think there are playoff teams whose best wins (especially best regular season wins) are on par with Vandy and OU.
I’m not going to act like it’s reasonable to expect 6+ SEC teams in the CFP. In fact I don’t really want that; it would water down the SEC regular season too much IMO. I’m also not gonna shed any tears for Bama. But in reality I don’t think it’s about them being any “less deserving” because they lost to “bad” teams. It’s about the fact that the CFP was always going to include a mix of other conferences & regions.
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And the one thing that has bothered me with all of this strength of schedule talk, why is no one questioning Texas. Their best win was Texas 8&4. And their 2nd best win was Florida. But again no one is saying they should not be in. The combined record for the teams that Texas beat was 65-67.
Texas absolutely had the weakest SEC schedule. Yet, despite that, it was still stronger than many other playoff teams. You mentioned that their wins had a combined record of 65-67 (.492). SMU’s wins had a combined record of 63-70 (.474) in much weaker conferences. Penn State’s wins had a combined record of 56-76 (.424). Indiana’s wins had a combined record of 51-81 (.386).
I think Texas is a very good team, but I don’t know if they would have made the CFP (using the committee’s apparent criteria) if they played Oklahoma’s or Vanderbilt’s schedule. However, I don’t think Indiana, Penn State, or SMU would have made it playing those schedules either. I don’t even know if they would have made it playing Texas’ schedule, which again was the weakest in the SEC.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:48 pm to toratiger
Just like the NCAA basketball tournament isn't designed to get the 68 best teams.
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