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re: the onside kick
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:23 am to TigerBait414
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:23 am to TigerBait414
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I talked to the head of officials in the SEC, Rogers Redding, and he said frankly you cannot block anyone in advance of the ball. Anybody that would contact somebody in advance of the ball has created a foul. It's irrespective of the 40-yard line. In other words, if (Alfred) Blue steps across the 40-yard line to make the reception on the kick, then he is protected because you still cannot block in advance of the ball, and you still cannot contact a guy until the ball has gone 10 yards, so we are in a position where we should be able to field the ball certainly until we get possession without interference. In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
Finally, I have heard an answer.
So basically, we should be expecting the SEC to apologize this week for blowing that call? Oh wait, probably not, they apologized to UGA last year but not to LSU because Charles Scott obviously deserved to be sentenced to jail for pointing to the LSU crowd after his TD run.
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:23 am to MastrShake
NCAA rule - contact prior to the ball traveling 10 yds OR a recieving team player touching the ball is prohibited with the penalty being 10 yds from the spot of the foul AND possession going to the recieving team.
The refs blew it.
The NCAA is more interested in not using replay to assess penalties than they are in enforcing rules on missed calls... so, they don't correct the missed call.
The refs blew it.
The NCAA is more interested in not using replay to assess penalties than they are in enforcing rules on missed calls... so, they don't correct the missed call.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:24 am to tigerdup07
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they didn't throw the flag. you CANNOT throw a flag after a review.
simple enough?
Sure you can. Have you ever seen a review on a possible intentional grounding call? They sometimes have to check to see if the ball crossed the LOS. It doesn't happen often, but it can happen.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:24 am to Choupique19
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Charles Scott obviously deserved to be sentenced to jail for pointing to the LSU crowd after his TD run.
I was waiting for Boise to get penalized last night after their go ahead TD.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:25 am to Alt26
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Sure you can. Have you ever seen a review on a possible intentional grounding call? They sometimes have to check to see if the ball crossed the LOS. It doesn't happen often, but it can happen.
No they throw the flag just in case but can take it away
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:25 am to MastrShake
Actually, the guy could have easily been called for a block in the back. Nobody had the ball yet and he slammed into the back of the LSU player before he could try to field the ball.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:25 am to Nick Papa Georgio
I think the confusing part and what confused me was the review. after looking this up, here is my summation:
(1) UNC committed clear infraction by hitting man before ball traveled 10 yards;
(2) Ref missed call (hey, this happens, but it was a pretty bad miss)
That should have been the end of the story but then there was a a review of something (the missed penalty) that is non-reviewable.
(1) UNC committed clear infraction by hitting man before ball traveled 10 yards;
(2) Ref missed call (hey, this happens, but it was a pretty bad miss)
That should have been the end of the story but then there was a a review of something (the missed penalty) that is non-reviewable.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:27 am to Lsutim3
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At first i thought it should have been a penalty but if you watch the replays ABC showed after play I think it was right call... They hit simultaneously imo
One of us doesn't know what "simultaneously" means.
(NOTE: it's you)
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:28 am to ccomeaux
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NCAA rule - contact prior to the ball traveling 10 yds OR a recieving team player touching the ball is prohibited with the penalty being 10 yds from the spot of the foul AND possession going to the recieving team.
The refs blew it.
The NCAA is more interested in not using replay to assess penalties than they are in enforcing rules on missed calls... so, they don't correct the missed call.
I'm totally shocked a group of SEC refs would blow major calls in a big game in order to keep the game close.
Just shocked. LOLOLOL
This is reason #289765 why no one in their right mind should bet on SEC football unless you know an SEC ref personally.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:30 am to Lsutim3
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At first i thought it should have been a penalty but if you watch the replays ABC showed after play I think it was right call...
heres the clip, slowed down and zoomed in
onsides kick
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:30 am to MastrShake
+1
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:31 am to ELVIS U
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Nevertheless, Les should have had the hand's team on the field.
It was the hands team fella.
Do you think Murphy, Shepard, Reid, Gore, Ridley, Toliver, and Clement are generally on the front line of the return team...really.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:32 am to MastrShake
These refs were asleep for some of the game though.
There was one fumble that was recovered by NC and the refs had no clue that there was even a fumble on the play.
They didn't even consider the idea until a UNC guy jumped up from the bottom of the pile with the ball in his hands and the rest of his team was celebrating.
There was one fumble that was recovered by NC and the refs had no clue that there was even a fumble on the play.
They didn't even consider the idea until a UNC guy jumped up from the bottom of the pile with the ball in his hands and the rest of his team was celebrating.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:33 am to MastrShake
Mastr shake.. Do You have one from another angle... The one ABC showed made it look even closer than that
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:36 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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I think the confusing part and what confused me was the review. after looking this up, here is my summation:
(1) UNC committed clear infraction by hitting man before ball traveled 10 yards;
(2) Ref missed call (hey, this happens, but it was a pretty bad miss)
The problem is once they missed the penalty on the field you can't enforce a penalty from a review. They used the review to make sure the LSU player touched the ball first since it was touched before it traveled 10 yards. That is all they could use the review for... They could not use it to create a penalty that should have been called on the field.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:36 am to MastrShake
I'm a bit of a photographic expert. You are looking at this photo thinking that the officials are seeing exactly what the camera is seeing. However this isn't true.
In this photo, you'll notice that the camera is much higher than the officials. If the camera were at the same level as the officials, we would only see the officials back and very little of the action at the play because the official would block the view. Now, look at where the ball is located. Do you think this official can actually see the ball location at the time of the contact? No, because the player is obstructing the view. The official on the far side of the field on the 35 yard line is the only one who has a clear unobstructed view. However, the distance from the play makes it difficult for him to make the call.
So, the photo shows that the officials weren't able to make such a call.
In this photo, you'll notice that the camera is much higher than the officials. If the camera were at the same level as the officials, we would only see the officials back and very little of the action at the play because the official would block the view. Now, look at where the ball is located. Do you think this official can actually see the ball location at the time of the contact? No, because the player is obstructing the view. The official on the far side of the field on the 35 yard line is the only one who has a clear unobstructed view. However, the distance from the play makes it difficult for him to make the call.
So, the photo shows that the officials weren't able to make such a call.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:37 am to BTRDD
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I'm a bit of a photographic expert. You are looking at this photo thinking that the officials are seeing exactly what the camera is seeing. However this isn't true.
In this photo, you'll notice that the camera is much higher than the officials. If the camera were at the same level as the officials, we would only see the officials back and very little of the action at the play because the official would block the view. Now, look at where the ball is located. Do you think this official can actually see the ball location at the time of the contact? No, because the player is obstructing the view. The official on the far side of the field on the 35 yard line is the only one who has a clear unobstructed view. However, the distance from the play makes it difficult for him to make the call.
So, the photo shows that the officials weren't able to make such a call.
This +1
Thats why i wanted to see other angle in video bc it looks a lot different from other side of field
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:40 am to MastrShake
I believe the refs made the correct call. The free kick rule that says that you can't touch a player before he has the opportunity to catch only applies if the ball is kicked and does not hit the ground. That's is why on pop-up pooch kicks, if the receiver waives his hand for a fair catch, the kicking team can't blast into him beofre he catches the ball, even though it is well beyond the 10 yard buffer zone.
I don't believe that on-sides kicks that first hit the ground are subject to the rule that you have to give the receiver the chance to receive the ball. Once it hits the ground, it is a live ball, and all the kicking team has to do is to make sure it goes 10 yards.
Morten Anderson first revolutionalized the on-sides kick that hits the ground immediately and then pops up in the air. He did this to give his guys the opportunity to run down and cream the receiver. That is why on those types of kicks the receiver CANNOT CALL FOR A FAIR CATCH -- because the fair catch is out the window once it hits the grounds.
I know I'm right about this for the NFL. If it turns out that college has the same rule, this will be yet another example of Les being a complete douche who doesn't know the rules of the game.
I don't believe that on-sides kicks that first hit the ground are subject to the rule that you have to give the receiver the chance to receive the ball. Once it hits the ground, it is a live ball, and all the kicking team has to do is to make sure it goes 10 yards.
Morten Anderson first revolutionalized the on-sides kick that hits the ground immediately and then pops up in the air. He did this to give his guys the opportunity to run down and cream the receiver. That is why on those types of kicks the receiver CANNOT CALL FOR A FAIR CATCH -- because the fair catch is out the window once it hits the grounds.
I know I'm right about this for the NFL. If it turns out that college has the same rule, this will be yet another example of Les being a complete douche who doesn't know the rules of the game.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:43 am to MastrShake
Im not sure of the rule but I think it was the right call. Once the ball hit the ground it is fair game and anyone can be hit. The ball would have to go 10 yards UNLESS it was touched by a member of the recieving team, then it becomes a live ball.
If this wasnt the case why wouldnt the recieving team just send 5 or 6 guys straight forward on tne onside kick so the kicking team would have to avoid contact completely?
If this wasnt the case why wouldnt the recieving team just send 5 or 6 guys straight forward on tne onside kick so the kicking team would have to avoid contact completely?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:43 am to ELVIS U
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They made up for it by the "no call" for interference on the last play of the game. Lets face it, they gave us that one as a make up call for their blunder on the on side kick.
I think the refs actually did a good job of letting the receivers and defenders play with a little bit of jostling; however, that last play was a phenomenal defensive play and I think the "no call" was the correct call as they made several "no calls" throughout the game.
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Nevertheless, Les should have had the hand's team on the field.
Even if the hands team was on the field, its really hard to catch a ball after you have already gotten tackled.
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